Hello Everyone 12>thereisalwaystruth posted:7/10/2012 12:08:22 PM First off, I want to say thank you to everyone who has had part in making this website what it is. From the web designers (proper terminology?) to people who have submitted personal accounts, relative information, or replies and comments to accounts and such. This is a great website, interesting and easy to navigate. Also, I have a few various accounts that are unexplained that I will eventually thread onto the web. I am a theorist, a critic, a total believer. I like to think on a deeper level on things such as human psyche and relativity to all things. I believe all is possible and at the same time some things are only possible with belief. Oh, the only thing I don't believe and think is total bullshit is our government... all government. War is real, politics are a... well we say it all the time, a race. Buuut anyhoo, anytime somebody might want an opinion from a ;)gramatticcaly corect ;) rule breaker, I'm always up for a good chat. I don't mind sharing a bit of info that titillates my own reality as well. Remember There is always truth0x6a656666 posted:7/10/2012 2:10:31 PM That would make two of us. I love the nickname! There's intergalactic war going on concerning that very point.gary107 posted:7/10/2012 2:16:10 PM truth apears only to exist in mathematics, all else is merely present desires being expressed through words.gary107 posted:7/10/2012 2:17:21 PM /appearsgary107 posted:7/10/2012 2:20:07 PM the early writings of the Jewish/Christians were full of bad grammer and misspellings, now they have been edited and are called Holy.0x6a656666 posted:7/10/2012 2:20:11 PM In Reply To:gary107 posted:7/10/2012 2:16:10 PM truth apears only to exist in mathematics, all else is merely present desires being expressed through words.mathematics is all astral, though. So is mysticism. I don't see why math always wins the prize when both are based on some sort of ethereal reality.gary107 posted:7/10/2012 4:53:38 PM the truths found in mathematics would be true regardless of the creatures or technology that discovers them. mysticism appears to be linked to biological creatures in a more depended manner. I refer you to Russell and Whitehead and the development of positivism at the start of the 1900's. mysticism comes with desires and their interpretations, math produces truths that can only be supported by logic and reasoning, it is a study that appears to be different in that regards. I do not assert one to be >better< than the other. Merely different than the other. With Aspergerm Syndrome I do what I can to limit my interactions with people. The internet has that distanding aspect to it those with AS seem to perfer.Jaxerback posted:7/10/2012 8:07:21 PM Oh dear,you seemed to have started a debate already. Enjoy the site,I know I do!!thereisalwaystruth posted:7/11/2012 1:54:14 AM Some good points have already been made. Let me say that mathematics are numeral. Though the numbers are not solid matter, it is what they represent. The rules cannot, to my knowledge, be broken in terms of numbers. They are solid state terms that are paired with objects or things to be multiplied. 1 apple is 1 apple. You cannot make 3 apples if you are adding 1 and 1 no matter how you try. So in turn yes mathematics are a simple yet firm truth. Words on the other hand words and letters can be bent slightly, and vary greatly between culture. F can be made with ph in america, and in other countries those letters may not even exist. 1 apple is 1 apple in america, japan, or russia all the same. Though these should not be compared as they are of totally different aspects of reality and life. Sometimes the truth may be unbelievable, but fact is fact, and there is always a right and a wrong answer to an equation. Thank you jeff, I never thought it would start such a fire lol. It was the first thing I came up with, and it was probably heavily influenced by me reading the moon anomalies. Well at the end of the day, let's all be a friends and have a beer! Your reality may differ from mine, I may be the space creature who defies the laws of time and space. The truth is there, even if noone knows what it is.gary107 posted:7/11/2012 1:34:37 PM the counting system being used can give different answers. The third prime three digit number base 10 is 107, but the third digit number base 12 is 111 [157 in base 10]. 23 in base 10 counting is 2 tens and three ones which is 23, but 23 in base 12 counting system is two 12's and three ones which is 27 in base 10. You can change the starting point and the rules of counting [by 12 instead of 10] yet what you do is still counting and you arrive at an equivalent answer. In France they used to count base 20 [they used both hands and toes ?]. You need to know the counting system and then what the digit means in the place where it is. 107 base 10 is 107. 107 base 12 is 1B [ 96 and 11 base 10 ] or in base 20 it is 57 [ 100 and 7 ]. We tend to see the world around us through the filter of our lives experiences, math tries to limit the impact of that filter by the use of firm rules and methods. I see that there is an effort to apply method to the study of some aspects of paranormal events. Is it right or correct to do this?gary107 posted:7/11/2012 2:22:25 PM I recall talking with our department chairman, Dr. Carella, in the late 1980's regarding a stock insurance plan using derivatives as a method to put "confidence" into market investments. He said it would allow folks to invest with greater assurance and lead to a market expansion, which it did. He died in the late 1990's knowing he was right. I cautioned against applying mathematical absrtacts against real market events, when it all comes back to roost, then it is my turn to be correct. 90 % plus of all banking transactions these days  empoly the use of RSA encoding using two 200 digit long prime numbers to produce a 400 digit long combined number. In 2003 I came up with a method to break the large combined numberm down into it's large primes. I live with apprehension that some group of teenagers may come by the method and apply it to their own ends. It is good to be able to figure it out, but bad if it gets out. Russia has a different method in their banking system based on the CzeckSloviakian mechine the German army used during World War II. Math is neither good nor bad, it nepends on how it is used.gary107 posted:7/11/2012 2:53:20 PM /dependsgary107 posted:7/11/2012 2:57:06 PM 1B is 23 base 12 counting system, 107 is 8B base 12. Oops!gary107 posted:7/11/2012 3:00:36 PM Oops, is what I intend to say if some teenagers get the formula for breaking the RSA numbers and most of the world wide economic system comes crashing down in just a few days. Perhaps, "Oopsie ?"Jaxerback posted:7/11/2012 3:24:53 PM I for one have not got a clue what you are on about! thereisalwaystruth posted:7/11/2012 11:51:45 PM This is a very interestibg subject. Though I am completely lost, I'd love to figure it out. I do agree, though, that math and numbers are used to govern people and their outlook on reality.gary107 posted:7/27/2012 12:18:40 AM there is an effort to encode information in order to facilitate the movement or transference of goods and ideas. one such device is the RSA method [ RSA = Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman ] of encodement. They take two very large prime numbers and produce a combimed number by multipying them together. One factor is kept as a private key and the other one is made public so that people can sent you secure information. Banks use their system for transfering funds from one account to another. E E^2 _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ A B A^2 C M B^2 /----d----/ /-------Ad----------/-n-/-n-/ /----------Bd-----------------/ A is the smaller prime number B is a prime number larger than A d is the distance between the two numbers E is the number equal distant between the two primes C is the combined number produced by A x B E^2 is the square of the number E M is the number equal distant in the middle between A^2 and B^2 n is the square root [sqr] of some number such that the sqr of n is equal to 1/2d Ad is the distance between A^2 and C Bd is the distance between C and B^2 sqr of n =1/2d, therefore, the sqr of n^2 + C [the combined number produced by AB] will produce one and only one integer such that there will be a sqr of E^2 [the number in the middle of the factors of A and B]. That gives us E and 1/2d and from there A and B. You will need a program of Multiple Precision Arthmetic Library [MPAL] that can handle long digit numbers and offer the precision needed. The QBasic program [which is limited to relatively small digit numbers] would read as follows: 10 COUNT = 0 11 FOR N = 1 TO 1500 12 COUNT = SQR((N^2) + 11426419) 13 IF COUNT = INT(COUNT)THEN PRINT COUNT ELSE 17 14 PRINT N 15 PRINT INT(COUNT) - N 16 PRINT INT(COUNT) + N 17 NEXT N 18 END This produces the results: 3590 1209 2381 4799 E is 3590 1/2dn is 1209 A is 3590 - 1209 = 2381 B is 3590 + 1209 = 4799 A x B is 4799 x 2381 = 11426419 have fun but do no harm, with best regards for you and yours Gary San Diego, Calif. gary107 posted:7/27/2012 2:15:39 AM / so people can send you secure...gary107 posted:7/27/2012 2:18:51 AM the program moved all the positionings to the far left, now is does not appear clear. I will work on presenting that image in ma correct manner.Levinus posted:7/27/2012 8:09:33 AM Gary, you should knock up a program in visual basic that can code/decode using your method. I think it would be a perfect educational tool. As for my stance on math... In an ideal existence, mathematics would be obsolete because we as conscious souls would transcend it. One apple, as stated before, could turn into two turtles at will. The thing is...using mathematics, we can uncover the physics and properties that would make this occur. Please log in or become a member to add a post.