alien or deamon theParanormalking posted:10/14/2013 11:49:34 AM ok so we all are people who like paranormal stuff but what out there isnt aliens its deamonsLincolnGenghis posted:10/14/2013 1:41:32 PM Well that is not so far fetched. There is Quite a body of work out there suggesting allot of The UFOs, aliens and abductions are in fact demonic In nature.ParanormalPaul posted:10/14/2013 4:32:18 PM Interesting question. And yes Lincoln I have seen many written pieces that have this same theory. Granted you must be careful of these writings. Sometimes these are writings of individuals that with certain objectives in mind.Jaxerback posted:10/14/2013 5:19:05 PM In Reply To:LincolnGenghis posted:10/14/2013 1:41:32 PM Well that is not so far fetched. There is Quite a body of work out there suggesting allot of The UFOs, aliens and abductions are in fact demonic In nature.Why do you put a capital letter at the beginning of every line? Just curious.LincolnGenghis posted:10/14/2013 6:24:31 PM Because sometimes I am to lazy to go back And lower case it. Its automatically done By the smart/Dumb technology I am using When I start a new line early. You may ask Why start a new line early? So I can see it All on one screen without scrolling to the side. :) marcf57 posted:10/23/2013 7:37:16 PM In Reply To:theParanormalking posted:10/14/2013 11:49:34 AM ok so we all are people who like paranormal stuff but what out there isnt aliens its deamonsComing from an evangelical background, I have heard that, generally, that alien activity are demons masqarading as aliens. This is to mislead the people of the world, as well as the believers in Christ. Now, I haven't been an evangelical, or in the church community for about 6 years, so I have been researching aliens and the paranormal most of this time. I have come across one reference that coraborated that idea, that aliens were "spiritual" in nature, and not purely alien - genuine beings from another star system. The MIB: Men In Black, one author talks about them going around a corner and disappearing, like 'poof'. There are two authors that wrote books about the MIBs: Nick Redfern is one. There is an earlier one, and I can't recall his name now, but his book is the first MIB book that I know of that brings up that idea. I'll get that out in another post...sorry.breeld posted:10/24/2013 7:20:34 AM Evangelical background here, too, Marc. I`ve heard all the theories about them being demonic. Now, I tend to question if they aren`t from another dimension. Surely other beings could be more advanced than us, and able to do the things these beings are doing.bobprin posted:10/24/2013 8:38:27 AM But wouldn't daemons BE from another dimension? I mean, we can't sense heaven or hell as they are discribed in the bible. Therefore they would not be of the earthly plane. Unless they are in congress. ;-)marcf57 posted:10/24/2013 9:00:13 AM Ha ha, good one Bob. Found that book reference; Mystery of the Men In Black by Timothy Green. The "other dimension" idea is interesting to me too. My research has lead me to a place where I realized that I wanted to find out, as I call it, "the nature of our reality". Is it multidimensional? We reside in the dimension that we percieve. The ghost shows tell us that there is another dimension inhabited by spirits human and non-human, or inhuman as they sometimes say. That leaves the UFOs and Bigfoot. Maybe they're coming from a third dimension? I've seen a video on YouTube (aren't they all?) about a former Area 51 worker who talked about some of the things that the government knew about, one of them being the existance of "other dimensions". They are layered like blankets and they know of at least two up and two down. I thought that was interesting.bobprin posted:10/24/2013 9:37:11 AM Its quite reasonable to expect that there are other dimensions. We percieve four, if you wish to count time as a dimension. String theory in math says there are multiple dimensions. Possibly multiple dimensions in each one. Ad infintiumLincolnGenghis posted:10/24/2013 1:28:24 PM One curious thing I have come across over the years regarding aliens, What is kind of interesting is their everchanging place of origin. I came across this some years back and can't remember the original source of this argument but it did make as much sense as anything else. The root of the argument was basically this: So called alien visitations and abduction scenarios have been actually going on far back into recorded time. Originally that is where the succubus and incubus came from, demonic visitors that would come after people with striking similarity to current UFO abductions. At that time however there were no claims about them being space creatures. If all the stories of abduction visitation and interaction are actually true then that would make those visitors some serious liars. They have over the years communicated their place of origin to people on occasion and it has conveniently evoloved to always be just out of reach of current science. From early modern stories to the present, many places of origin have been claimed by them. First they came from the moon, then they came from mars , then they came from venus and as our science kept catching up to the point of being able to verify or debunk the claims, their origin would always move further out. Zeta Reticuli comes to mind. :) It has been said that satan is the father of all lies and it would seem that they are pretty good at that themselves. There are numerous cases that have went to mufon of people claiming to have stoped visitations and abductions in mid stream by mentally praying to God and especially Jesus for some reason. According to the stories it has made the beings very uncomfortable and they left.???? Mufon will not touch any cases like that if they have any kind of possible spiritual angle on them. marcf57 posted:10/24/2013 2:15:57 PM Interesting. So MUFON is hoping for the real thing and taking it at face value. A lot of the UFO groups and chasers in the media are the same way. I have seen a few websites that deal primarily with the topic of the Bile and UFOs, and one of them does talk about how you can stop an abduction by praying, or commanding them to stop in Jesus name. That was always interesting to me. Since I haven't been in church a lot recently and have been researching the alternatives, if you will, I keep coming across these odd validations, and it makes me wonder. I like your comment about them changing the place of their origin as scientific knowledge grows to debunk them. More to talk about, no time now, rats!LincolnGenghis posted:10/24/2013 4:58:55 PM Mufon takes the reports, stores them and will not investigate them if there is any spiritual angle involved in them at all. I guess to them those are clearly from delusional people that don't understand that aliens are magical, grey, physical creatures that can't be photographed, can't be caught, can't be found, never leave any real evidence behind, travel in ships that If made of real materials have defied some basic priciples of physics, they can also go into a large metropolitan area with a mother ship, hover over a house, materialize themselves through walls into a locked and sealed house, molest the occupants then disapear noiselessly without one single neighbor being a witness. You know I think Mufon is on the right track. LOL bobprin posted:10/24/2013 6:49:35 PM And why is that so far fetched? Everyday there are advances and discoverys made in technology. Beings advanced enough to get here would find the things just described as childs play. We think nothing of using a microwave oven but to my grandmother it would be the work of satan.LincolnGenghis posted:10/24/2013 9:50:27 PM That's what satan wants you to think. :) They would be advanced enough to get here, and then spend all their time abusing and Butt molesting just normal run of the mill people. And then get highly upset with the thought of Jesus. Who are they? Richard Dawkins relatives? :) daymoon posted:10/30/2013 9:57:18 PM Why couldn't it be both? Why couldn't a daemon from another dimension exist as well as an angel and an alien? Being as alien, literally defined as "not natural to it's environment" it would make a bit more sense than taking it to all one way or another. Here is a thought, for all those folks who have had spiritual encounters and out of body experiences, is it possible that beings from another dimension are actually having an out of body experience with us? Not actually coming here physically but sort of, as an astral projection and that is why we are not finding any physical evidence of them? It would not explain major time loss BUT it would explain the physical sensation of being molested or abused without any real physical evidence. Another beings natural energy body is actually touching you. I think it makes more sense than a whole bunch of beings that are all able to defy physics interested in a bunch of weird sex and probing butts. But then again, it is all about the pooh isn't it? POOF! mystery solved! And they would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling angels!88 posted:11/8/2013 9:16:59 AM In Reply To:theParanormalking posted:10/14/2013 11:49:34 AM ok so we all are people who like paranormal stuff but what out there isnt aliens its deamonswhy don't you extend , what out there isn't deamons it's spirit(s) (of/from various time bases integration sets/nodes)Infinitewisdom posted:11/8/2013 1:07:58 PM If I may share my thoughts/teachings, We are children in the eye's of the universe. Young souls. We must label and define everything with lanquage, for we are not spiritually evolved to highest levels of consciousness. What we label, or give name to is nothing more than our understanding of it with our linear perception. Consider, in an infinite universe of billions of stars, planets, and Galaxies, surely life must exist in all reaches of space, for it not that would be a waste of space. With free will we have the right to make choices. Be it evil or good. Now if you were the almighty creator of a vast infinite universe, would you create an adversary to oppose you? and even if you created an adversary (devil) you would be able to destroy it with just a little of the infinite energy you possess. The point I am getting at is, what we label as aliens, demons, angels, spirits, ghost etc are only labels that we assign to things we do not understand. When the ancient text were written, their understanding of the universe was much less that it is today, yet people rely on these old text to define our current age of understanding, and technology. When a volcano erupted 2-3000 years ago, to the people of that time, it was a god that was angry, and rained fire upon the people. Today we understand this is the geological nature of our planet. SO applying old understandings and concepts to what we see today, will not aid our understanding of what is in this vast universe. When the ancients saw people who could fly, they thought of the only thing they knew that could fly ...birds. So a man with wings was symbolic, and not meant literal. With free will in a infinite universe there will be spirits/souls wether physical or not who choose to align thier path with negative or positive. Energy can manifest itself physically, or not. A higher level of consciousness may have the ability to bend time and space. Look what we have accomplished in technology in only a few thousand years! imagine, what it would be in another 100,000 years? So many races of other planets, worlds, dimension could be visiting our world, and likely both sides of the spectrum. Good or evil as we define. Some here to help, some here to infiltrate. Calling them demons, is applying old understandings, with old concepts. I do not bash religious texts because I feel they all have truths at the core. Just old understandings. A cell phone to a man a thousand years ago, would likey have him burned at the stake for possessing "devils tools". Even if the demons/aliens/dark spirits/ are visiting us, it is obvious there is also good ones here too. For if they can bend time and space, travel at speeds of light, they could destroy us in an instant, yet they have not. So at best, they are here to manipulate us towards a negative way of the universe, or they want control of us. But as spirits who are energy, we shall never die, and with the gift of free will of the infinite creator to make a choice, we choose who, and what we will let manipulate us. United we stand, divided we fall. Please log in or become a member to add a post.