2012 12>Levinus posted:8/8/2011 8:28:46 AM I'm the science guy, for those who don't know. I'm a skeptic, and I have orgasms thinking about data spreadsheets and emperical graphs.So when I caught wind of the 2012 crap, I dove in hungrily, wanting to smash these idiots to pieces. I love end-of-times looneys and am always eager to prove them wrong.Here is what I've learned about 2012. Mayans...however old and weird...didn't really know crap. They have a cyclical calender that doesn't "end" on Dec 21, 2012. It just resets. Yep. Thats it.There is no Nibiru, or planet X or whatever. That is just loonacy. If you don't believe me or the "establishment", go out and buy a kids telescope. Chart the sky and try to find it. You won't.There is no rapture. At the risk of discriminating religiously I will say this. Most people who try to convince me of the rapture are, generally, people I wouldn't pick if I was Jesus. I would pick my favorite sports stars, Lady Gaga, and Angelina Jolie (for my own purposes.)What I did find scared me though! I'm not a heliophysics major, and I don't like breaking down celestial bodies into plasma flow theory. It is unromantic. But it had to be done for the sake of the readers on here. So let me start with the basic intro. Pole shifts happen here on earth and on the sun. It is regular and expected, just like Aunt Flow coming to visit. Same sort of regularity. On the sun, it flips every eleven years. Always has. On Earth it takes considerably longer. About one degree every million years. When I say "pole shift" I'm referring to magnetic north and south. The sun and earth don't literally flip upside-down. Remember Newton's laws!So, with that said. Each eleven years there is a solar maximum and minimum. Just like a woman, the sun gets quite grouchy and irritable. It sends out solar flares and coronal mass ejections. Radiation storms and electromagnetic interference. Then, when its all over, it tends to calm down and activity drops until the next maximum.Why does this matter? Well, it didn't use to. But we are dependant upon electricty now. Which is a really bad idea. We basically developed an infrastructure that is shaped like a gigantic lightning rod for solar storms. Anyone have any internet problems a few days ago? Yep, solar storm. The thing is, if a BIG coronal mass ejection hits us, it could really mess up our gadgets. It would cook our electrical grid, oil pipelines, any large metal thing running from north to south. That would mean no water, no gas, no hospitals, no microwave dinners. It is more of a concern because there are gaps in Earth's protective magnetic field. Even worse, the sun has a sort of "super cycle" that peaks solar activity even higher. And its due to start now. Even worse, there appears to be a link between solar activity and earthquakes. Anyone remember Japan? Yeah...solar storm. Look it up.So, as is traditional for paranormalnews posters, I'm going to provide a whole host of links that I really recommend you check out. Why? Just to be on the safe side. If anyone needs help understanding the physics in the links, let me know. I'll help you clear it all up. So I'll be posting a couple links. One from the National Academy of Sciences. Basically the ultimate science guys. They govern all things science. And NOAA. NOAA are the guys that work with weather systems on earth. They work really closely with NASA to get us all kinds of cool data and pretty pictures.http://books.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12507 This is a link to the report that the Academy released a while back warning of this.http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/21jan_severespaceweather/ Here is a synopsis.http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html And I check this one every day. It gives us actual warnings for solar storms, and helps us measure their severity. We had a nasty one a few days ago, and some more on the way. I don't want to scare anyone, just show you what I found out. Forget mayans, the iching, and the rapture. We need to keep an eye on the sun!There are other possibilities of things that are 2012-ish. I just think this is the most probable and likely to happen, especially considering it has happened in the past (1859) (2006). Yellowstone is my runner-up.Levinus posted:8/8/2011 8:46:48 AM By the way, from personal experience, don't talk about this in your work place. I've told people about the threat of solar storms, even printed off the report from the national academy and handed it to them to read. They refuse to read it and are comfortable with me being the looney this time around.Skeptic47 posted:8/8/2011 8:46:53 AM It would appear I've been replaced!Levinus posted:8/8/2011 9:01:21 AM Rubbish! I'm your softer, more gently mannered version. I'm also very insecure.JOSMAN087 posted:8/8/2011 9:35:19 AM I like seeing scientific proof, Always a good idea. But i always say have the skills you need to survive if u were to lose all of your electrical equipment anyway.spiritech0 posted:8/8/2011 10:40:04 AM I don't know... I've seen and printed plenty of online data on solar storms from NASA and several higher learning institutes, as well. BUT comparing said data to US and UN plans on running the world, it puts doubt on the "major catastrophe" idea concerning 12/12/2012.Heck, what about the magickal date of 11/11/2011? I'm all for being prepared for dangerous situations, but hope is a better mindset than doubt.Skeptic47 posted:8/8/2011 11:12:56 AM Well regardless Levinus, it's good to see someone questioning things. Spiritech - spelling magic with a 'K' is in the realm of pretentious mystics.And if you say "it's meant to seperate parlour tricks and real magic" I'll make it easy:There's no such thing as magic, and in case nobody filled you in: Santa Claus, Easter Bunny and Jesus - all made up too!BeeLever posted:8/8/2011 11:17:32 AM So Harry Potter never happened? Skeptic47 posted:8/8/2011 12:00:41 PM Sorry Ware - it's made up. Are you going to be okay?BeeLever posted:8/8/2011 12:02:00 PM Yes, I will accept that something I used to believe in may not be true. I will get on with my life.ArchangelMetatron posted:8/8/2011 12:14:48 PM Well this is my take for all you skeptics….. I’m a Christian and yes I do believe we are in the middle of the apocalypse. Call me loony but I see the signs. What about the rivers turning to red, all the massive fish and bird deaths? All the anger and, hatred in the world - kind of like in the days of Noah?? It’s time. That being said your theory on solar flares – ding ding ding!!! We have a winner!! I feel it’s all related. So the “end of times” is really going to be civilization as we know it coming to a complete disaster. We will be back to the Wild West days, literally. We will have no functioning equipment – no cars, no gas pump to pump the gas into the cars that won’t start, no computers, no ATM’s. People are going to die because hospitals will be completely useless. Also just think what the water and food situation will be like? We will have to grow our own food because grocery stores will no longer be around because they wouldn’t be able to keep foods frozen and refrigerated. No more milk for the cookies you get from the dark side. I guess they could turn into huge fruit and veggie stands but where will it come from?? Ah oh and I know a lot of people who get cranky when they are hungry so I’m sure there will be a LOT of fighting and bickering going on as well. So you can look at this spiritually or scientifically – the ending will come out the same. It says in the Bible that next time the Big Guy is ready to take us out it will be by fire. I think the sun counts as a big raging ball of fire doesn’t it?? I’m just saying……BeeLever posted:8/8/2011 12:29:51 PM Archangel, I don't have time to talk to you about religion right now. Ever since a few dessert dwellers wrote The Bible people have been saying that there generation is the one that will see the apocalypse. Watch a movie called "Religulous", that will explain everything you need to know about why God and every form of a supreme being is stupid and just another way for people to make money from the less intelligent.ArchangelMetatron posted:8/8/2011 12:45:57 PM I appreciate your opion. I have to let you know that I'm not your run of the mill Christian. I don't believe in organized religion and I think the Bible is a book of stories that was interpreted by men and put into their words and not necessarily the true word of God. That being said no need to talk to me about religion. You have your opinion and I have mine. It's cool we can still be friends. I look at it like this: spiritual and none spiritual people are like democrats and republicans. They both have their beliefs and agenda both think they are right BUT that doesn't mean you have to hate each other. And I think it's stupid that people think it's stupid to believe in God. HA!BeeLever posted:8/8/2011 12:54:19 PM I like how you think, you might be one of the few people on this site with half a brain. I am not here to hate anyone, I am actually very interested in the paranormal but I'm also a person who doesn't take anything on face value. In thousands of years of aliens apparently visiting earth there isn't a shred of evidence beside some cave paintings or mysterious metals found in the desert? Human beings have always strived for knowledge of the unknown and by know I think someone would have come along with definitive proof.spiritech0 posted:8/8/2011 1:00:13 PM I spelled it "magickal" to postulate the point that until 12/12/2012 arrives, all anyone can do is speculate about what may happen and nothing more. The topic of "magic" should be witheld for another site's forum. And if anyone can find a science or astronomy book purporting to be older than all the world's religious writings supposedly are, let me know, I'll buy it and read it.ArchangelMetatron posted:8/8/2011 1:43:22 PM I understand where you are coming from and I get it. I often wonder that as well. However I look at it this way - there is no way in hell we are the only ones in the universe. There are too many planets out there that could sustain life. Now why we have no proof I can't tell you. I do feel that if we did and the government knows they are going through great lengths to keep us from knowing. Look at what happened when they aired the radio program War of the Worlds. People flipped out. Maybe they don't want that happening.gemini663181 posted:8/10/2011 1:31:30 PM Even after all the crap that we have been through yo are still insulting people. (Ware and Skeptic) Even when people reach out to you!!! Still insulting!!! Are you really skeptics are are you just two, I mean one asshole. If you dont believe in GOD thats o.k.. If you dont believe that there are other life forms in the entire universe,O.K. If you call all who do idiots and tin foil hat wearing idiots O.K. But what are you?? The best thing ever created. I meant evolved!! If you cant be nice on a paranormal site perhaps you need someone to help you!! Why are you here on this site??? Why choose a site just to take out your weak agressions?? Why not just stay at home and be part of the 10% of people on earth that believe in nothing?? Do you have a method of making most of the people on earth as blind as you are?? There is no proof for you so stop asking. Even if there was you would not accept it! You just want the attention that no one else in your miserable little lives will give you. My suggestion is for all of those that were on here prior to these two people and I use the term lightly, Will stop conversing with these two or one individual (Skeptic47, And Ware 47) There is no way to provide these two, who I believe are one, with evidence of the paranormal. Just ignore their insults or hunt them down like the motherless dogs that they are!! They have insulted those who are serious about the paranormal to the point of no return. I reached out to them and they still insult all of us. I think it is possible to get rid of these two or one a-hole now just ignore them, I mean him.gemini663181 posted:8/10/2011 1:36:18 PM I hope you get what you are asking for Ware, and Skeptic!!!! gemini663181 posted:8/10/2011 1:50:51 PM Ware you can be touched!!!!ArchangelMetatron posted:8/10/2011 3:33:13 PM Wow Gemini calm down dude. You do realize you're doing exactly what they want. Don't answer and don't react. Maybe they really are here trying to find evidence...... And rattle a few cages at the same time. Please log in or become a member to add a post.