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ShatterSphere   posted:6/12/2009 4:40:18 PM  (Reply)
What man lacks is the knowledge of the infinite. If the infinite were revealed to him all at once man would become utterly insane. I hear all this talk about aliens and whatever; however, what no one ever acknowledges is that the human form belongs to providence and is divine will. It is through reason that the soul not merely becomes a conception, but rather becomes our reality. How do we know this? The mind senses itself as an individual and is that individual. Through reason, we know that we are; and since we are, it is not as if--we cannot be. Where does the soul exist? Is it part of us, as in our flesh-body-being acting as its circumference. Or does it occupy a separate space that is somewhat apart from us? Through reason we can begin to see why the soul is apart from the body. If I lost my leg or never was born with one and my soul is whole then how could it be possible that our soul exists inside of us? Since I lost a fleshy leg does that mean my soul also has no leg? You see the soul is somewhat miscontrued when people believe that their flesh-body is the outward circumference of the soul. If my soul occupies the same space as I then what happens if I lose a leg? Does my soul leg fold up inside of my body? Or what about a floating limb?--Does that mean the leg of my soul exists outside and in place? And if so, if I lose my leg then the loss of that leg becomes the new circumference of my soul? What about the rest of my leg? The truth is that the soul is apart from the body, yet merely the mind sees it within the body; and therefore, I know it is my soul. The truth is that the flesh and blood is merely an avatar of our own souls. It is our incarnate presence upon the earth. And if there is such an incarnation then it is also possible that you and I and everyone do not share the same origins. In an infinite universe the possibility is infinite. That, spiritually, I may come from universe a and you may come from universe b. And if that is possible then is it not possible that alien Spirits may be among you and I? And therefore the outofthisworld alien presence is wearing a human skin?
jeff   posted:6/12/2009 5:34:42 PM  (Reply)

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ShatterSphere  posted:6/12/2009 4:40:18 PM  (Reply)
What man lacks is the knowledge of the infinite. If the infinite were revealed to him all at once man would become utterly insane. I hear all this talk about aliens and whatever; however, what no one ever acknowledges is that the human form belongs to providence and is divine will. It is through reason that the soul not merely becomes a conception, but rather becomes our reality. How do we know this? The mind senses itself as an individual and is that individual. Through reason, we know that we are; and since we are, it is not as if--we cannot be. Where does the soul exist? Is it part of us, as in our flesh-body-being acting as its circumference. Or does it occupy a separate space that is somewhat apart from us? Through reason we can begin to see why the soul is apart from the body. If I lost my leg or never was born with one and my soul is whole then how could it be possible that our soul exists inside of us? Since I lost a fleshy leg does that mean my soul also has no leg? You see the soul is somewhat miscontrued when people believe that their flesh-body is the outward circumference of the soul. If my soul occupies the same space as I then what happens if I lose a leg? Does my soul leg fold up inside of my body? Or what about a floating limb?--Does that mean the leg of my soul exists outside and in place? And if so, if I lose my leg then the loss of that leg becomes the new circumference of my soul? What about the rest of my leg? The truth is that the soul is apart from the body, yet merely the mind sees it within the body; and therefore, I know it is my soul. The truth is that the flesh and blood is merely an avatar of our own souls. It is our incarnate presence upon the earth. And if there is such an incarnation then it is also possible that you and I and everyone do not share the same origins. In an infinite universe the possibility is infinite. That, spiritually, I may come from universe a and you may come from universe b. And if that is possible then is it not possible that alien Spirits may be among you and I? And therefore the outofthisworld alien presence is wearing a human skin?
What would you say they're doing here? Same thing as us?
caniswalensis   posted:6/12/2009 8:10:30 PM  (Reply)
What objective evidence is there for the exsistence of the human soul? Canis
jeff   posted:6/12/2009 8:33:56 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/12/2009 8:10:30 PM  (Reply)
What objective evidence is there for the exsistence of the human soul? Canis
I would say the soul is that which is not objective...otherwise it wouldn't be a soul.
caniswalensis   posted:6/12/2009 11:23:19 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/12/2009 8:33:56 PM  (Reply)
I would say the soul is that which is not objective...otherwise it wouldn't be a soul.
I did not ask what a soul was. I asked for objective evidence that it exists. I would just like to establish the existence of souls before discussing their nature.
jeff   posted:6/12/2009 11:33:05 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/12/2009 11:23:19 PM  (Reply)
I did not ask what a soul was. I asked for objective evidence that it exists. I would just like to establish the existence of souls before discussing their nature.
There isn't any. But there isn't any objective evidence that symbols exist outside of the human mind, either. Why should one accept math then as objective, and not also the existence of the soul?
caniswalensis   posted:6/13/2009 12:07:17 AM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/12/2009 11:33:05 PM  (Reply)
There isn't any. But there isn't any objective evidence that symbols exist outside of the human mind, either. Why should one accept math then as objective, and not also the existence of the soul?
Not all math is accepted as objective. Whether we accept it as objective or not, math is valued for it's practical application and predictive powers. But we are talking souls here, not math. So it there is no objective evidence that souls even exist, how can someone make deinative statements abut their nature and expect others to accept those stateents as "truth."
jeff   posted:6/13/2009 12:19:42 AM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/13/2009 12:07:17 AM  (Reply)
Not all math is accepted as objective. Whether we accept it as objective or not, math is valued for it's practical application and predictive powers. But we are talking souls here, not math. So it there is no objective evidence that souls even exist, how can someone make deinative statements abut their nature and expect others to accept those stateents as "truth."
We can't. But I'll still allow it and agree with many of them :)
jeff   posted:6/13/2009 12:29:58 AM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/13/2009 12:07:17 AM  (Reply)
Not all math is accepted as objective. Whether we accept it as objective or not, math is valued for it's practical application and predictive powers. But we are talking souls here, not math. So it there is no objective evidence that souls even exist, how can someone make deinative statements abut their nature and expect others to accept those stateents as "truth."
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.storyI like that one...
caniswalensis   posted:6/13/2009 12:43:48 AM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/13/2009 12:19:42 AM  (Reply)
We can't. But I'll still allow it and agree with many of them :)
Well of course, I was not suggesting otherwise. ....but you can't agree with all of them. Some of them cdirectly contradict each other. Yet all are sincere in their assertions, and base those assertions on the same sort of strongly held metaphysical intuition, or subjective feelings. None the less, some have to be mistaken. So how does one choose who to agree with?
caniswalensis   posted:6/13/2009 12:44:34 AM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/13/2009 12:29:58 AM  (Reply)
http://www.fox8.com/wjw-reincarnation-txt,0,1190900.storyI like that one...
I've seen this one. Interesting, but very far from conclusive.
jeff   posted:6/13/2009 2:24:13 AM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/13/2009 12:43:48 AM  (Reply)
Well of course, I was not suggesting otherwise. ....but you can't agree with all of them. Some of them cdirectly contradict each other. Yet all are sincere in their assertions, and base those assertions on the same sort of strongly held metaphysical intuition, or subjective feelings. None the less, some have to be mistaken. So how does one choose who to agree with?
As Neo realized when speaking directly with the architect, if the arguments one way or another were not equally balanced--and by equal I mean you cannot DIRECTLY know to the point where the decision is a no-brainer--there would be no choice at all. It's like a fork in the road. Go left or right. Mirror images of one another.
caniswalensis   posted:6/13/2009 3:50:07 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/13/2009 2:24:13 AM  (Reply)
As Neo realized when speaking directly with the architect, if the arguments one way or another were not equally balanced--and by equal I mean you cannot DIRECTLY know to the point where the decision is a no-brainer--there would be no choice at all. It's like a fork in the road. Go left or right. Mirror images of one another.
That was a terrible sequel.
jeff   posted:6/13/2009 6:44:34 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/13/2009 3:50:07 PM  (Reply)
That was a terrible sequel.
Regardless of the quality of the movie, it is often how one chooses when there is no evidence on which way is truer than another. If we did not have choice, real choice created from an inability to know, we would be little more than machines, and that is exactly what we are if we have no soul. And by choice, I mean the ability to decide one's future path,and the evolution of culture. In poker, if we could see what is beneath the backs of everyones' hands, the game would be much easier to play, but more difficult to enjoy. Sure, poker isn't enjoyable when you lose, but maybe each losing hand teaches you a better strategy in the next round.
caniswalensis   posted:6/13/2009 7:03:47 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/13/2009 6:44:34 PM  (Reply)
Regardless of the quality of the movie, it is often how one chooses when there is no evidence on which way is truer than another. If we did not have choice, real choice created from an inability to know, we would be little more than machines, and that is exactly what we are if we have no soul. And by choice, I mean the ability to decide one's future path,and the evolution of culture. In poker, if we could see what is beneath the backs of everyones' hands, the game would be much easier to play, but more difficult to enjoy. Sure, poker isn't enjoyable when you lose, but maybe each losing hand teaches you a better strategy in the next round.
We are straying from the point I was trying to make here a little. My question of choice was rhetorical, really. What I was getting at is; when you depend on subjective feeling and intuition, you run a good risk of deluding yourself about the nature of things. Some people have to be wrong. They "know" that their version of things is correct, but they are wrong. They base all sorts of actions and decisions on beliefs that are not true. It seems to me that the best way to gaurd against that problem is to avoid basing our actions and decisions on metaphysical beliefs, such as souls.
jeff   posted:6/13/2009 7:12:50 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:6/13/2009 7:03:47 PM  (Reply)
We are straying from the point I was trying to make here a little. My question of choice was rhetorical, really. What I was getting at is; when you depend on subjective feeling and intuition, you run a good risk of deluding yourself about the nature of things. Some people have to be wrong. They "know" that their version of things is correct, but they are wrong. They base all sorts of actions and decisions on beliefs that are not true. It seems to me that the best way to gaurd against that problem is to avoid basing our actions and decisions on metaphysical beliefs, such as souls.
You are right. It's different than my right, but hey, good thing we're not computers or I would have just thrown an illegal exception.
caniswalensis   posted:6/14/2009 9:04:32 AM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/13/2009 7:12:50 PM  (Reply)
You are right. It's different than my right, but hey, good thing we're not computers or I would have just thrown an illegal exception.
LOL! Well, I have no intention of compelling people to accept my take on things, or any illusion that I could. Just throwing my ideas into the mix. I always enjoy conversing with you Jeff. You are one of the good ones. Canis
harper   posted:6/23/2009 3:41:37 AM  (Reply)

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ShatterSphere  posted:6/12/2009 4:40:18 PM  (Reply)
What man lacks is the knowledge of the infinite. If the infinite were revealed to him all at once man would become utterly insane. I hear all this talk about aliens and whatever; however, what no one ever acknowledges is that the human form belongs to providence and is divine will. It is through reason that the soul not merely becomes a conception, but rather becomes our reality. How do we know this? The mind senses itself as an individual and is that individual. Through reason, we know that we are; and since we are, it is not as if--we cannot be. Where does the soul exist? Is it part of us, as in our flesh-body-being acting as its circumference. Or does it occupy a separate space that is somewhat apart from us? Through reason we can begin to see why the soul is apart from the body. If I lost my leg or never was born with one and my soul is whole then how could it be possible that our soul exists inside of us? Since I lost a fleshy leg does that mean my soul also has no leg? You see the soul is somewhat miscontrued when people believe that their flesh-body is the outward circumference of the soul. If my soul occupies the same space as I then what happens if I lose a leg? Does my soul leg fold up inside of my body? Or what about a floating limb?--Does that mean the leg of my soul exists outside and in place? And if so, if I lose my leg then the loss of that leg becomes the new circumference of my soul? What about the rest of my leg? The truth is that the soul is apart from the body, yet merely the mind sees it within the body; and therefore, I know it is my soul. The truth is that the flesh and blood is merely an avatar of our own souls. It is our incarnate presence upon the earth. And if there is such an incarnation then it is also possible that you and I and everyone do not share the same origins. In an infinite universe the possibility is infinite. That, spiritually, I may come from universe a and you may come from universe b. And if that is possible then is it not possible that alien Spirits may be among you and I? And therefore the outofthisworld alien presence is wearing a human skin?
hey, anyone remember me?
harper   posted:6/24/2009 5:16:42 AM  (Reply)
they could be aliens wearing our skin or we came from them, and that is why we look alike. the psycic self, you can be walking down the street and see a stranger but it is really a ghost in full form, someone once said that to me lots of paranormal talk you pick up over the years. Ed McCman died yesterday. they say they come in threes, david carradine, who's next.
ShatterSphere   posted:7/7/2009 10:11:43 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:6/12/2009 5:34:42 PM  (Reply)
What would you say they're doing here? Same thing as us?
Who would know the place in life but a child. When man shakes off his intoxication he will understand this.


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