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weldkatom   posted:3/27/2012 7:15:30 PM  (Reply)
I am never ceased to be amused by all the posts on this site,and i am only here two weeks.
The claims made are just ludicrous.
Aliens and demons..lol
We live on a little rock that we call Earth and as biological creatures when we die we are dead!
There is no soul/afterlife!
Just as there is no God...
Belief for beliefs sake has killed billions of people.
And i for one am sick of all the lies and misinformation.
Rant over.
jeff   posted:3/27/2012 7:31:25 PM  (Reply)
What would happen if no one owned the philosopher's stone or the emerald of lucifer which manifested thought into physical reality? What would happen if there was no filter placed upon the beliefs that people could / could not have? What if everything constantly existed and not existed at the same time, simply by people believing and not believing in those things? The paranormal itself exists at the crossroads of two opposing and contradictory forces. Whether or not are beliefs can become real simply through effort is yet to be seen, but at least here you get to see all the possibilities instead of just the one shoved down our throats by the powers that be. It can be frustrating, yes, but at the same time, liberating.
weldkatom   posted:3/27/2012 8:05:27 PM  (Reply)
Ok..that is why i research all that i can..but seriously??
jeff   posted:3/27/2012 8:34:38 PM  (Reply)
Roleplayers are sometimes considered disinfo agents. You'll see them all over conspiracy websites. So it's all a game, I guess. Quite a few of them cropped up in the past couple of months here. Easy to spot. Their objective is to make it so you don't know who or what to trust so a consensus cannot be developed on anything.
spooky1   posted:3/27/2012 10:26:19 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:3/27/2012 8:34:38 PM  (Reply)
Roleplayers are sometimes considered disinfo agents. You'll see them all over conspiracy websites. So it's all a game, I guess. Quite a few of them cropped up in the past couple of months here. Easy to spot. Their objective is to make it so you don't know who or what to trust so a consensus cannot be developed on anything.
thank u jeff
Ars Mysteriorum   posted:3/28/2012 1:05:59 AM  (Reply)
I will be quite clear on this matter: I do not dwell in the realm of belief. Belief is an incompletely informed blurring of consensual reality.

I am in touch with the foremost authorities on the incredibly finite viable, scientific research on experiences with intermediary intelligences and 'paranormal' phenomenae. These, likewise, are not people who dwell in the realm of belief, but in the attempt to define the physical reality where we all dwell.

Atheism's popularity is quite new. Its catalyst came about from the Enlightenment, when the Church's authority was brought into serious question and it found itself unbalanced by those who embraced a reality of the mind as a thing separate from the physical world. Descartes' dualism left its mark on the culture of 'belief' and all things religion as psychological events that have nothing to do with the physical realm.

For the Stoics, God was the ultimate force in physics, the divine fire that does not consume, but creates. Nature is a thing balanced on numerous wavelengths, a thing that creates itself and destroys itself in order to assure its existence is maintained. The human body is much the same and we literally are things on fire; we burn ourselves to maintain our existence It's why we give off heat and must give fuel to the divine fire through food and water.

Yes, certainly this philosophy is merely the meanderings of those long dead. Easy to say. That is, until you start poring through journals of chemistry, medicine, and physics and start seeing those articles that find themselves wholly in accordance with this idea.

You can believe that God isn't real, but it is quite like saying the varying wavelengths of electromagnetic bonds that bind together atoms, molecules, planets, solar systems, galaxies, and the universe are not real as well.

Again:

"The main objective of Stoics is to overcome the dualism between mind and matter taught by other philosophical schools. The Stoics achieve this goal by identifying mind and matter with each other and with God. They therefore propose a totally unitary reality, a monism in which God is mind, God is matter, God is the universe. One may speak of mind and matter, but this is merely a fa├žon de parler. For the Stoics, everything that acts is a body. There is a continuum between mind and body. They are completely translatable into one another; they are simply two ways of viewing the content in the continuum. In Stoic physics, matter is not 'dead' matter in the Cartesian sense; it is dynamic, charged with vital force. Mind is not something external to matter, an abstract ideal quality, a principle of rest toward which an imperfect material world transpires; it is rather an active principle, the creative force permeating the universe and holding it together. God is called by several names in Stoic physics--the 'logos', the rational structure of the universe; 'pneuma', the fiery breath of life, the creative fire; or 'tonos', the vital tension holding each thing together within itself and making the whole universe cohere. The entire universe, or God, constitutes one living organism, at the same time sentient, rational, and material, existing in and of itself. The universe is its own creative force and its own source of growth, change, and activity. God, or the universe, is not only its own cause; it is the one cause and explanation of all things."

Marcia L. Colish, The Stoic Tradition from Antiquity to the Early Middle Ages, pp. 23-4
LincolnGenghis   posted:3/28/2012 2:25:00 AM  (Reply)
Religion and or an active belief in something has never killed anyone in and of by itself. People with beliefs in something have been martyred many times over by people that wanted them to believe in nothing but the here and now and their hedonistic beliefs or whatever belief the person with the most Koolaid and power they had.

Religion does not kill people, People do. Now religion that is misinterpreted or misused has killed many many people the world over. It is and has had the potential to be more powerful then an atomic bomb. Can you really condemn the religion for that? Fuck No... you should condemn the twisted fucks that have weaseled their way to religious power falsely using religion and false doctrine in their name and twisting around the true meaning in it as a weapon of hate. That's who you blame.

Now having had the benefit of growing up in America in a predominantly Irish catholic neighborhood I was afforded the opportunity to go to Catholic school and believe me the Bible was drilled in my head forwards and backwards and I really learned to understand the true meaning of it. There are no crusades in it , there is no slaughtering of the innocents or torture condoned in it. Its a pure book.

And you know after getting out of school I was always curious about what else their was so I also went through the Torah and the Koran (Both English versions on those two) and you know what I found??? Pretty much the same peaceful message. Basically you should really be mad about the self serving screw jobs that highjacked religion as a weapon and not the pureness of the religion itself. I was also interested in Native American religion for a while and really looked into that also and found the same thing. Basically pseudo skeptics who believe in absolutely nothing are only shortchanging themselves out of something more.

There is a spiritual world all around you. I don't know if there is a dark malevolent force causing people to deny some form of spiritualism or just ignorance and pride but it is there.

Ok enough with the preaching. This down below my friends is one of the best Anti pseudo skeptic sites I have ever come across. These are real skeptics with open minds that denounce the Psuedo Skeptics, Role players, disinformation people and other skeptic websites. These are what true skeptics really are.

Debunking Skeptics
breeld   posted:3/28/2012 5:34:20 AM  (Reply)

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weldkatom  posted:3/27/2012 7:15:30 PM  (Reply)
I am never ceased to be amused by all the posts on this site,and i am only here two weeks.
The claims made are just ludicrous.
Aliens and demons..lol
We live on a little rock that we call Earth and as biological creatures when we die we are dead!
There is no soul/afterlife!
Just as there is no God...
Belief for beliefs sake has killed billions of people.
And i for one am sick of all the lies and misinformation.
Rant over.
When I first read this, I wondered why you were even on this site if you just think we`re all looney. lol
Then I re-read your post, then read it again. I guess it struck something in me.
I really am not sure what all I do or don`t believe in. I CAN`T say for sure there is or isn`t a god, or soul, or even ET`s. There are a couple of things I KNOW, for sure. Energy healing is for real. I`ve seen it happen too many times to deny that. Even when the person being healed knew nothing of what was going on. I also know there is such a thing as precognition. Or just KNOWING. Only because it has happened to me. Other than that, I can say I believe something, but that doesn`t make it true. Actually, I`m still searching for whatever is MY truth. Like you, I have my doubts about certain things, but I can`t discount them simply because I haven`t seen, heard or felt them myself. I guess I admire you because you seem to have found "your" truth, and here I am still looking for mine.
ufoz   posted:3/28/2012 6:19:12 AM  (Reply)

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weldkatom  posted:3/27/2012 7:15:30 PM  (Reply)
I am never ceased to be amused by all the posts on this site,and i am only here two weeks.
The claims made are just ludicrous.
Aliens and demons..lol
We live on a little rock that we call Earth and as biological creatures when we die we are dead!
There is no soul/afterlife!
Just as there is no God...
Belief for beliefs sake has killed billions of people.
And i for one am sick of all the lies and misinformation.
Rant over.
you know they thought the earth was flat once. and the idea of the planet being round was nothing but "amusing". i find its always best to have an open mind. as a student of science i still believe in some aspects of the paranormal. i believe in the human soul, without a doubt. part of being skeptic is being open to all things known and not known.
weldkatom   posted:3/28/2012 11:18:24 AM  (Reply)
I only posted that statement to see what kind of reaction i would get,and it turns out to be a very positive one.
The fact is i nor anybody else can claim to "know" anything with 100% certainty.This is why we must all keep an open mind at all times.
Keep the posts coming,"Live long and prosper!".
LincolnGenghis   posted:3/28/2012 11:45:08 PM  (Reply)
well there are some disagreements on here on occasion but they are usually on a pretty good natured level. Sometimes there is Unicorn tossing involved.
breeld   posted:3/29/2012 6:05:31 AM  (Reply)
And beer pong.
weldkatom   posted:3/30/2012 10:35:24 PM  (Reply)

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LincolnGenghis  posted:3/28/2012 11:45:08 PM  (Reply)
well there are some disagreements on here on occasion but they are usually on a pretty good natured level. Sometimes there is Unicorn tossing involved.
I have to say that I like your way of thinking.Having said that I disagree with you on the religious issue.
Being Irish as you know,I have spent all my life watching Catholics and Protestants killing each other simply because they were Protestant or Catholic.Every year we have the "orange" marches up the north which go through Catholic areas,and there is sectarian violence every year.
A lot of countries with mixed religions have the same problem.They hate each other over a difference of faith.Now if all faiths were miraculously removed in the morning it would save many many lives.It has nothing to do with the "the twisted fucks that have weaseled their way to religious power"
spooky1   posted:3/31/2012 12:19:11 PM  (Reply)
I get.what ur saying
LincolnGenghis   posted:3/31/2012 10:00:27 PM  (Reply)

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weldkatom  posted:3/30/2012 10:35:24 PM  (Reply)
I have to say that I like your way of thinking.Having said that I disagree with you on the religious issue.
Being Irish as you know,I have spent all my life watching Catholics and Protestants killing each other simply because they were Protestant or Catholic.Every year we have the "orange" marches up the north which go through Catholic areas,and there is sectarian violence every year.
A lot of countries with mixed religions have the same problem.They hate each other over a difference of faith.Now if all faiths were miraculously removed in the morning it would save many many lives.It has nothing to do with the "the twisted fucks that have weaseled their way to religious power"
There actually should be no problems having mixed religions and tolerance of such. Now I really do know that the problems that have and are going on in Ireland are actually more deeply rooted then what faith or church people belong too. There are many underlying factors to the violence on both sides. There are completely irresponsible leaders on both sides of the fence.

The Irish Side of my family tree left there quite a while back because of all the violence that was going on all the time. It goes back a long ways and there has been a third party involvement fueling most of it turning true countrymen against each other and using religion as an excuse.

But you know my Irish side of the family tree had no picnic when they left Ireland for a new home either. They left for the land of supposed promise, milk and honey. And what did they really land into in the US. They got off the boat and were spit on , yelled at,beat up, robbed denied jobs (It was a common practice at the time in business windows to post signs that said "Irish Need Not Apply") out east. All New Irish Immigrants in general were treated like that at one time for some unknown reason here regardless of religious affiliations. Its a very little spoken about fact in American history.

And you know the one thing that did turn me into the open thinker I am today is how they handled the whole thing. Many people running into things like that would easily pick up hate and bias as there swords. My relatives took it in completely the opposite direction and preached tolerance of different people and other religions because of what they went thru. (This went down the family tree into my head Via my Grand Parents on that side of the family.)

God I myself have two good friends that are different religions then me. One a Muslim and One of a very devout Hindu belief from India. When we get together on rare occasions we can sit back and laugh about allot of things and have fun. You know we just respect each others beliefs and we do not talk about them much or preach to each other on the specifics of them. You know the one thing we have in common is a love in higher Spiritual power then us that does want us to get along and be friends.

Now I know this is not really a paranormal type post but in some ways but it might be. Where does all the hate in the world come from? Is it really from true pure religious beliefs ? or is it the proverbial devil wanting all faith in anything to go away? (secretly wanting all faith in anything good or pure to vanish leaving a void for hate and ignorance to fill.)



weldkatom   posted:3/31/2012 10:40:07 PM  (Reply)
Wow,impressed!!I think your family like most Irish people see the good in everybody.In those days of mass going every sunday,people really did hold their morals and act in accordance with the scriptures.I also have friends of different ethnic backgrounds and creeds,because people are just people at the end of the day.I am not saying us Irish are special in any way(we are really)but I take your point.Without some moral guidance there would be total anarchy.Which is exactly why religious values were encouraged in the first place.Its all about the mighty dollar.The Vatican in Rome could wipe out world poverty tomorrow with a sweep of a pen.Sadly that will not happen.
I think the pope is the Antichrist!!
weldkatom   posted:3/31/2012 10:46:13 PM  (Reply)
By the way when you said "hate and bias as their swords" Swords happens to be the name of my hometown..Believe it or not!!
weldkatom   posted:3/31/2012 11:05:00 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:3/27/2012 8:34:38 PM  (Reply)
Roleplayers are sometimes considered disinfo agents. You'll see them all over conspiracy websites. So it's all a game, I guess. Quite a few of them cropped up in the past couple of months here. Easy to spot. Their objective is to make it so you don't know who or what to trust so a consensus cannot be developed on anything.
I am not a "role player" I am here for the same reason everybody is here,to try and understand the meaning of it all..if there is a meaning??
jeff   posted:4/6/2012 11:49:24 AM  (Reply)

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weldkatom  posted:3/31/2012 11:05:00 PM  (Reply)
I am not a "role player" I am here for the same reason everybody is here,to try and understand the meaning of it all..if there is a meaning??
Here's my own take on 'meaning' and 'meaninglessness':

Upon Which My Oversoul Speaks

"Meaning" itself is the language of the oversoul, and when you see it or find it, you are communicating with your higher self. Since oversouls are different, they are all saying different things to different people. As such, everyone is finding a different meaning to the same events. It's sort of like you can make various dishes with the same ingredients--the ingredients being life events. It's how I look at it, anyway.
erysian   posted:4/6/2012 3:55:09 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:3/27/2012 8:34:38 PM  (Reply)
Roleplayers are sometimes considered disinfo agents. You'll see them all over conspiracy websites. So it's all a game, I guess. Quite a few of them cropped up in the past couple of months here. Easy to spot. Their objective is to make it so you don't know who or what to trust so a consensus cannot be developed on anything.
OK, when you use the term 'roleplayers', I'm guessing you don't mean the same by as it I might. Because there's a huge difference, between people who are into role-playing games, and disinformation agents like propaganda specialists and intelligence operatives etc. Some people may not realize or take seriously any website that claims to really have info on conspiracies and the paranormal, and so decide to incorporate it into their game or storyline. This may not be wholly fair or nice, but it's innocent of malice. A real dis-info agent is not playing. And actually, they tend to be somewhat hard to recognize, by specific training. Their objective is closer to what you say, specifically to confuse the details and make reports and ideas unreliable and mock-worthy. Most of the time, someone mocking you or messing up the details is not a dis-info agent. They may be ignorant of the real details, contemptuous of you and your ideas, but are not necessarily professional. The professionals don't need to spend a lot of time on these sites. A little here and there, but mostly, sorry to say, the paranormal communities and conspiracy enthusiasts don't need any help to confuse details and present things in a way that will just draw laughs.


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