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Dolphin   posted:7/14/2008 10:05:26 PM  (Reply)
Are you refering to reincarnation by the term "rebirth"?
jeff   posted:7/15/2008 5:07:15 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/14/2008 10:05:26 PM  (Reply)
Are you refering to reincarnation by the term "rebirth"?
Yep...then again, why would we want to be reborn? Isn't once enough? Most people think we are here to learn, but I don't think that is really the case...otherwise we wouldn't be 'born' with amnesia.
Dolphin   posted:7/15/2008 5:26:49 PM  (Reply)
That's interesting to think about that apparent fact that we or most don't remember their past lives if in fact we do have past lives. I am open to the idea of reincarnation however the following questions present themselves to me when I think about reincarnation: 1. Why old souls when there would be new souls? 2. What would be the purpose? 3. If a learning experience why can't souls continue to learn on the other side? 4. Your question, Jeff, if for the purpose of learning why don't most or all of us readily remember past lives?
jeff   posted:7/15/2008 6:11:15 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/15/2008 5:26:49 PM  (Reply)
That's interesting to think about that apparent fact that we or most don't remember their past lives if in fact we do have past lives. I am open to the idea of reincarnation however the following questions present themselves to me when I think about reincarnation: 1. Why old souls when there would be new souls? 2. What would be the purpose? 3. If a learning experience why can't souls continue to learn on the other side? 4. Your question, Jeff, if for the purpose of learning why don't most or all of us readily remember past lives?
1. I'd say there is no old and new souls in infinity...there are merely souls with more amnesia or a smaller memory than others. 2. I think the purpose of human life is to harvest fear. 3. If we are infinity and are a connected subconscious, we already know everything, right?4. I don't think we are here to learn. We are being lied to. When we die and see the light, I fear that the light is a lie as well, intentionally created to trick us into being reused or recycled so more fear can be harvested.
Dolphin   posted:7/15/2008 6:33:08 PM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:7/15/2008 6:11:15 PM  (Reply)
1. I'd say there is no old and new souls in infinity...there are merely souls with more amnesia or a smaller memory than others. 2. I think the purpose of human life is to harvest fear. 3. If we are infinity and are a connected subconscious, we already know everything, right?4. I don't think we are here to learn. We are being lied to. When we die and see the light, I fear that the light is a lie as well, intentionally created to trick us into being reused or recycled so more fear can be harvested.
I don't know about the purpose of life being to harvest fear. I think we live in interesting times and we need to have the ability to think in the abstract and see the positive in life. What we experience in this life I believe we will experience in the next. My spiritual experiences have indicated to me that we aren't transformed from malevolent people to benevolent angels in the afterlife. Some souls have difficulty adjusting to their new surroundings. I think the light is the only thing we can count on for being truthful.
jeff   posted:7/15/2008 6:48:24 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/15/2008 6:33:08 PM  (Reply)
I don't know about the purpose of life being to harvest fear. I think we live in interesting times and we need to have the ability to think in the abstract and see the positive in life. What we experience in this life I believe we will experience in the next. My spiritual experiences have indicated to me that we aren't transformed from malevolent people to benevolent angels in the afterlife. Some souls have difficulty adjusting to their new surroundings. I think the light is the only thing we can count on for being truthful.
The purpose of life, human life, is to be afraid so other entities can harvest and use it for whatever purpose. Policy and law are created for sadists who enjoy seeing people suffer.The purpose of consciousness, however, is not the same as the purpose of human life. We are consciousness in a human form, enslaved. Our religions teach us to keep God pleased or we will burn forever, so our religions keep us afraid. Our government says to trust in them to keep away the terrorists and child molesters, so our governments keep us afraid. There is a system of fear that entraps our consciousness. Our religions teach us to move towards the light...but should we trust these stories, just as we should always trust the government? I say no. Consciousness deserves more than that.
Dolphin   posted:7/15/2008 7:15:15 PM  (Reply)
I don't expect everyone to believe the way I do, but these are my beliefs: God is loving and does not need to be feared, there are very good people here who do not need to be feared. Some religions try to control people by inflicting fear, our administration uses fear to try to control its citizens and to meet their own personal needs, extraterrestrials exist, however don't know if they are here with us, but I do believe they have visited Earth. I have to go by my own experiences not what someone else tells me is true for me. I know what's true for me.
jeff   posted:7/15/2008 7:25:34 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/15/2008 7:15:15 PM  (Reply)
I don't expect everyone to believe the way I do, but these are my beliefs: God is loving and does not need to be feared, there are very good people here who do not need to be feared. Some religions try to control people by inflicting fear, our administration uses fear to try to control its citizens and to meet their own personal needs, extraterrestrials exist, however don't know if they are here with us, but I do believe they have visited Earth. I have to go by my own experiences not what someone else tells me is true for me. I know what's true for me.
I'm not disagreeing with the belief in a benevolent connected consciousness called God or Allah, but I do disagree with the manipulative ways in which people say you can get close to it--catholicism, christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc. I see a perverted version in our religions. I see doublespeak. But beneath it all, there is something very real there, and you can sense it internally when you are not afraid and listening to nothing other than your own infinite consciousness :)
Dolphin   posted:7/15/2008 7:43:41 PM  (Reply)
I totally agree with you that some people do manipulate their relgion to dominate others. I don't believe one has to belong to a denomination to become one with a divine being or other consciousness. Would you tell me what you mean when you refer to something beneath. Do you mean something otherworldly?
jeff   posted:7/15/2008 8:28:26 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/15/2008 7:43:41 PM  (Reply)
I totally agree with you that some people do manipulate their relgion to dominate others. I don't believe one has to belong to a denomination to become one with a divine being or other consciousness. Would you tell me what you mean when you refer to something beneath. Do you mean something otherworldly?
I think the universe and how it works and our place within it is fractalized and we are one of those fractal elements--distinct in our own way, but connected to the whole. Our religions speak of a devil on one shoulder and an angel on the other. To me this means we structure, organize, and make the universe a finite place in which we die (the devil), and we have the ability to change, disorganize, and infinitize the universe as well and live forever (the angel). It is two strands of RNA which combined make life what it is. Recently, however, the finite universe is choking consciousness, stifling it, killing it, and the DNA is ready to split into a dead half and a living half. I think the 'Luciferian' structure of the world government is snowballing its control/destruction at a frantic pace, and the world is going to be shit for the next 4 years as everything collapses and people starve as the grid (gas/heat/electric/oil/food supply) is intentionally destroyed. There will more than likely be a shift (polar shift even) in 2012. The question is whether or not it is a shift to a police state of slaves or a shift to the awakening of the consciousness. I am very pessimistic about it at the moment.
harper   posted:7/17/2008 2:20:52 PM  (Reply)
jeff i wanted to ask you something when i was just on the general forum so i clicked on you and got catupulted into this rebirth, having trouble with the site again. anyway you made comments about 4 more years of destruction oil food climate etc. do you think obama can make a positive dent? i hope so.
jeff   posted:7/17/2008 4:40:36 PM  (Reply)

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harper  posted:7/17/2008 2:20:52 PM  (Reply)
jeff i wanted to ask you something when i was just on the general forum so i clicked on you and got catupulted into this rebirth, having trouble with the site again. anyway you made comments about 4 more years of destruction oil food climate etc. do you think obama can make a positive dent? i hope so.
Well, the main forum page merely lists the most recent comments found in all individual forums, and when you click the link, it sends you to the forum which has that most recent comment. There really is no general forum.As for Obama making a positive dent, um, only if he wakes up like Kennedy did, which he more than likely will never do since he has children and a wife to protect. And his main advisor is Zbenew Brezinski, who is supposedly one of the main guys responsible for setting up the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations, which means he is just as much of a puppet as Bush, and from the same group. Besides, the timing is too critical for an outsider to take over. Obama has been pushed on the U.S. as a savior by the mainstream media for years now by Rupert Murdoch's media, and everyone bought it because he looks "different." Murdoch is just as connected to Brezinski and Rockefeller as Bush, so it is all the same thing. Basically the U.S. public has no choice other than to elect a man of the New World Order, the man of the Superclass (which I guess is the politically correct and socially accepted term for the Illuminati these days). Look at Obama's voting records--he votes for spying on U.S. citizens again and again, despite the outcry from everyone in the U.S. who feel completely out of control to prevent their government being taken away from them and spying on them. The government is now a foreign power--look at the polls. Support for the government is at its lowest ever, and it is only going to get worse. Why is no one looking into Obama's voting history? And he's a democrat out for the people? Bah. Change? Bah. A savior? No. He is billed as a democrat, but there is no such thing as a democrat or a republican these days. Kind of interesting--people want to believe that "God" plays a role in everyone's life and acts as the hidden hand which influences politics and world events. Well, there is a hidden hand, a hidden agenda in the evolving doors of politics, but it is a hand coming up from below and is not one that expresses the will of the people. The hidden hand is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Our government does not look after our best interests. I mean, why the hell is there a gift tax which prevents people from exchanging goods without attaching to it a monetary value? If I want to give you a basket of muffins, the IRS can come after me. And that is supposed to be a policy that is good for the people? Hah. Check out my recent blog entry--our system has been designed to fuck everyone over and it is run by sadists. This is all pure bullshit that I see, much like everything else in their doublespeak Orwellian policy hell hole. And no one can do anything about it. 2012 is the frightening turning point. I am assuming when Obama gets in, chaos will break out over the next 4 years. The reins of the earth are being prepared to be turned over to SOMETHING, whether it is an ideal or a thing or an alien race or whatever, I don't know, but it is not going to be pleasant. At all.Like I said, I've been very pessimistic lately.
harper   posted:7/17/2008 7:58:48 PM  (Reply)
jeff, so you are for mcCaine or just hope for the best whoever gets in? I have no passion this election now that hillary is out. Hey ya know what? the 2012 mayan calender thing will blow away like dandelion fluff in the wind, just like y2k.
jeff   posted:7/17/2008 8:12:55 PM  (Reply)

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harper  posted:7/17/2008 7:58:48 PM  (Reply)
jeff, so you are for mcCaine or just hope for the best whoever gets in? I have no passion this election now that hillary is out. Hey ya know what? the 2012 mayan calender thing will blow away like dandelion fluff in the wind, just like y2k.
No, I am not for any candidate as they are all the same candidate. Hillary Clinton will be vice president, more than likely. McCain is an idiot and will do that anyone tells him to do because he doesn't know anything, like Bush. The U.S. voters are not in control of the system. Ron Paul would have been my choice, but Rupert Murdoch and the mainstream media wouldn't allow him to be president as he is not part of the system--he is against the system and is the only one who tells the truth. As for 2012 blowing over, I don't think so, because the invisible hand does things based off of astrological events as a matter of ritual. Y2K was technological--not 2012. That is astrological and therefore a ritualistic-based date.
jeff   posted:7/17/2008 8:26:25 PM  (Reply)
And getting back to the Rebirth theme...why the hell be reborn into a world that is run by a force that everyone feels helpless against? Earth is a very dense part of infinity because of the force that runs the show that disconnects us from everything else. It increases its strength by increasing the belief in disconnection...hence the New World Order's rise in power.
Dolphin   posted:7/17/2008 10:50:34 PM  (Reply)
I am wondering if more people would protest against the current administration. Americans have become apathetic. Perhaps it is a result of feeling helpless. Although it is difficult for people to avoid paying the astronomical gas prices because they have to get to work, myself included, if we really tried we could do more car pooling, walking (when able), ride a bicycle, cut back on unncessary travel, etc. a dent could be made in the price of gas. I know it is a lot to ask, but it is possible.
harper   posted:7/18/2008 3:14:41 PM  (Reply)
hi dolphin, no worries. the current administration is retiring. john mcCain is an old man who really listens to old men except for other old men, and how many old men are in really huge positions of power now. in the 1970's there was a huge gas crisis at the pumps in california but it went away and everything was fine, now it is back again if you look at the history of the world alot thought the times they were living in were doomed but then it got better everything recycles itself like retro fashion, it's called life, and yes sometimes it sucks and alot more for some than others. Jeff, if 2012 is real then EVERYONE OFF TO STONEHENDGE! Pagans and wiccans get out your smudge sticks!save your souls! Maybe when the planets do their thing the aliens will help us (not joking about the aliens by the way.)
Dolphin   posted:7/20/2008 12:03:43 PM  (Reply)
Hey Jeff, I wanted to point out that Obama did not vote outright for the surveillance of the general public. He opposed the Protect America Act that expanded the surveillance powers of government. Congress more recently passed, and Obama concurred, that although not perfect restored oversight by FISA and other bodies to prevent the president from engaging in warrantless surveillance. It is a step in the right direction.
jeff   posted:7/21/2008 3:56:04 PM  (Reply)

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Dolphin  posted:7/20/2008 12:03:43 PM  (Reply)
Hey Jeff, I wanted to point out that Obama did not vote outright for the surveillance of the general public. He opposed the Protect America Act that expanded the surveillance powers of government. Congress more recently passed, and Obama concurred, that although not perfect restored oversight by FISA and other bodies to prevent the president from engaging in warrantless surveillance. It is a step in the right direction.
Thanks for the correction. I hope you are right about Obama. I cannot tell when people are speaking the truth or lying, so when I see politicians pandering to wolves, however, it always make me assume the worse. Current governmental policies ensure current governmental jobs, and there are real people with real families who do not want to lose those jobs. If a politician steps in and says he's going to change it all (which is what most people want) he will be met with systematic resistance that will do him in and will ultimately force him to seek profit over humanitarianism. His "greater good" will become what is good for the system to continue, since the system is filled with the people that will begin to mean the most to him.
harper   posted:7/22/2008 1:51:45 PM  (Reply)
well, however is in the white house, will it really matter anyway,because in four years it will be 2012 and we will have no future for them to f**k up or fix anyway.If the 2012 mayan thing actually happens. Someone correct me if i sound like an idiot.


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