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Astralsailor   posted:7/24/2012 4:04:28 AM  (Reply)
I was pondering the big bang and came to think about this as
the higgs boson seems to be on everybodys lips these days.

In the begining there was the singularity and from it in a very short period of time the universe was born
with all the nessesary ingredients there in to make it in to what it is today.

Was it a big bang tho, something that was flushed out of something as small as nothing in an instant?
I was thinking about what could come from a possible disruption in what they call the higgs field, or
what could be a field giving the "mass" to matter (I realize its far more complex then this makes it sound).
Could the higgs field in some way have had anything to do with the birth of the universe?

Perhaps there was only energy, only formlessness in a way I surely do not grasp.
Then maybe the higgs field gave this formlessness mass, shape and a continued evolution of everything.
This perhaps in a process that is something like a bigbang, a transformation from formless to form.

I do not have Phd in physics and I am only vaugly knowledgeble about quntom theory, but this is something
that I was intressted in hearing others opinions on.




Jaxerback   posted:7/24/2012 11:03:12 PM  (Reply)
The simple answer...is we dont feckin know!!!
Astralsailor   posted:7/25/2012 2:03:02 AM  (Reply)
This was some knowledgeble information on this subject I think:

http://www.paranormalnews.com/forumdetails.aspx?ID=b96e4f6d-ddbc-44a7-b935-6fc2a7c9466d
Levinus   posted:7/25/2012 9:38:19 AM  (Reply)

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Astralsailor  posted:7/24/2012 4:04:28 AM  (Reply)
I was pondering the big bang and came to think about this as
the higgs boson seems to be on everybodys lips these days.

In the begining there was the singularity and from it in a very short period of time the universe was born
with all the nessesary ingredients there in to make it in to what it is today.

Was it a big bang tho, something that was flushed out of something as small as nothing in an instant?
I was thinking about what could come from a possible disruption in what they call the higgs field, or
what could be a field giving the "mass" to matter (I realize its far more complex then this makes it sound).
Could the higgs field in some way have had anything to do with the birth of the universe?

Perhaps there was only energy, only formlessness in a way I surely do not grasp.
Then maybe the higgs field gave this formlessness mass, shape and a continued evolution of everything.
This perhaps in a process that is something like a bigbang, a transformation from formless to form.

I do not have Phd in physics and I am only vaugly knowledgeble about quntom theory, but this is something
that I was intressted in hearing others opinions on.




Remember though, the laws that govern mass don't even work during the first early moments of the big bang. Higgs or not, it still doesn't change the mathematics. All we did was uncover a likely property to mass, not change the physical laws.

M theory has the most plausible explanation for the origins of the singularity. Personally, I feel that the Higgs Field is the tip of a VERY large iceberg of a much more encompassing field.

Sadly, the only way to really get a handle on this kind of physics is to do a LOT of reading, a LOT of calculus, and a LOT of smashing your head against a wall. Even then, you end up with more questions than you started. The more you learn, the more you realize things just don't add up.
Jaxerback   posted:7/25/2012 8:54:39 PM  (Reply)
I am still struggling with the concept of dark enegy/matter maybe thats what ghosts consist of??













































































































































































































Levinus   posted:7/25/2012 11:25:56 PM  (Reply)
Jaxer, dark energy is a pretty hardcore topic. I'll have to get back to you on that. I need to read up on it before I feel confident enough to open up my metaphorical mouth. Most of my physics education was in earth science and telecommunications. I'm no cosmologist.
primalsorce   posted:7/26/2012 3:20:10 AM  (Reply)
I dont think it matters that you are not a cosmologist. I think that the answers to all our questions are deep within the human psych and soul, so philosophise my friends and consider that anything may be possible,I think in the future philosophy and physics will become one.
Levinus   posted:7/26/2012 9:04:48 AM  (Reply)
From the standpoint of medicine, I've gotten to peak into the human psyche and soul. Thus far, I'm not impressed. The majority of what I deal with has me convinced that people, generally, operate much like iguanas. They eat, sleep, reproduce, then die.

I would agree however, that philosophy and physics will come to a consensus, if they haven't already.

On the topic of dark matter, it would seem that it makes up a great deal of our universe. It acts as an invisible gravitational force. We can't bounce light off of it, into it, or see light from it. It seems to be invulnerable to the EM spectrum entirely. So no...it could not be a ghost for the very fact people SEE ghosts.

Dark matter and energy are very different. Basically, the dark matter is what keeps everything neat and tidy. Dark energy is what is ripping the universe apart. Literally. It is expanding the universe at an accelerated rate.

Science has not PROVEN dark matter. We all agree it is there because we can measure its gravitational influence in very galaxy...every cluster. We have even mapped it, apparently. But we still don't know what it is. Particle-wise, we are assuming it is non-baryonic. That is...not in our hadron family of particles. Non-baryonic particles are the weird ones, like theoretical axions (most think these aren't real). Or, most attractively, supersymmetric particles. Particles with matching spins....like two gears that use to work together, but separated.

To clarify, dark matter would not replaced the higgs field. The higgs boson would still be our little mass-lending particle. It would also lend mass to our non-baryonic dark matter particles.

There is one suggestion that dark matter is an echo... That it is actually a holographic representation of another reality. Dead serious. That alternative realities are there...hovering within/about us. And dark matter is an echo of it. I instantly liked this idea, and I thought everyone here would as well. It would explain a lot of paranormal phenomenon. So e-mailed Patricia Burchatt regarding the holographic dark matter idea. She is one of the most respected physicists studying the dark matter concept.

She may laugh her ass off and not respond. Or, hopefully, she'll answer my inquiries. I'll let everyone know how it turns out!
primalsorce   posted:7/27/2012 1:52:45 AM  (Reply)
what about your soul and consciousness I understand that the average soul is as you describe, but every now and then as the laws of kaos permit along comes a soul that looks deep within itsef to ask for the answers, and it finds them this is how we find the answers, and the answers are there inside an enquisitive soul such as yourself, the Idea of the Higgs Boson was first thought of by a soul that had a thought.
Levinus   posted:7/27/2012 8:20:48 AM  (Reply)
A soul looking within itself for answers? That sounds like philosophy to me. Plato's Cave. Look it up.

I'm not sure how I feel about souls. As a human, a sentient being, it FEELS like it exists. I have a sensation of possessing a soul. But there just isn't enough data for me to not refute it. I could also NOT have a soul.

I know there were a few measurements made where, upon death, the mass of the body reduced instantly. But that doesn't prove a soul...that just proves missing mass.

I understand what you are suggesting, that a soul has access to unlimited knowledge. Perhaps this is true. But ideas like our Higgs Boson have mathematical basis. They are conclusions that one could discover from calculation, regardless of soul.
Danvader   posted:7/29/2012 5:18:48 PM  (Reply)

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Levinus  posted:7/27/2012 8:20:48 AM  (Reply)
A soul looking within itself for answers? That sounds like philosophy to me. Plato's Cave. Look it up.

I'm not sure how I feel about souls. As a human, a sentient being, it FEELS like it exists. I have a sensation of possessing a soul. But there just isn't enough data for me to not refute it. I could also NOT have a soul.

I know there were a few measurements made where, upon death, the mass of the body reduced instantly. But that doesn't prove a soul...that just proves missing mass.

I understand what you are suggesting, that a soul has access to unlimited knowledge. Perhaps this is true. But ideas like our Higgs Boson have mathematical basis. They are conclusions that one could discover from calculation, regardless of soul.
So pretty much we'd be biological machines/robots if we didn't have souls. Sure given a consciousness, we'd be a little more than just empty husks...just a little. Well it comes down to it, there's too much to question. So I suppose that it can go either way just as you said.
Levinus   posted:7/29/2012 11:06:16 PM  (Reply)
I did mention before that I FEEL as if we have souls. And I'm self-aware, which is a signature of consciousness. We can measure consciousness...medically speaking with brainwaves and such. We can discern between a consciousness and brain death. But we can't measure a soul, or lack thereof.

In this case, as with most scientists, I would say our instinct overrides data. All of us feel a presence that we identify as "soul".

But even without a soul or sentience, we wouldn't be empty husks. We simple would be part of nature....whole....embellished. Ants, trees, worms...all have their parts to play, and quite frankly, they play it better than we do.

Don't underestimate the more simple forms of life.
Jaxerback   posted:7/29/2012 11:57:49 PM  (Reply)
At the end of the day all life on our little planet are simple biological organisms,us humans are mere mistakes that will be rectified sooner or later by the natural order of the cosmotic plan!!
primalsorce   posted:7/30/2012 6:19:53 AM  (Reply)
I beleive that the soul is what creates the emotions we express if we did not have a soul we would be emotionless creatures such as simpler forms that react on instinct not emotion when you feel sad or happy angry or in pain these emotions are triggered by different things in different people indicating to me that we all have an individuality that is created by our soul I beleive that the soul is a reflection of an energy field or source that one day will be measured and considered a true part of the natural universe
Danvader   posted:7/30/2012 4:49:19 PM  (Reply)
Oh no it's far from that. It's not that I underestimate simpler forms of life. If I did then I wouldn't be fascinated by ones that can survive in extreme environments. I guess you could say that I could've structured that question a little better. I love life, so no harm intended with that question. Thanks for the reply though.
LincolnGenghis   posted:9/16/2012 1:15:33 PM  (Reply)
bobprin   posted:9/29/2012 11:41:05 AM  (Reply)

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Jaxerback  posted:7/25/2012 8:54:39 PM  (Reply)
I am still struggling with the concept of dark enegy/matter maybe thats what ghosts consist of??













































































































































































































In reply; Perhaps you're correct about that, they do consist of something. I was wondering if they may be made up of the same stuff as holograms. Perhaps they are holograms occuring naturally. As for the main topic I've found the writings of Michio Kaku to be very informative and the are written so that a layman of physics can grasp the concepts.
Jaxerback   posted:9/29/2012 9:06:41 PM  (Reply)
I have read a few of his books too and he makes a lot of sense.
Maybe there are many perfectly natural situations and conditions which lead to a witness "seeing" a "ghost".
The stone record theory is one.The quartz in limestone rock can absorb energies/emotions and play back events at a later date.
Time-slips,where neither witness has actually been through the process of dying.
The astral body encounter,where the "ghost" is alive and well.
Or just good old fashioned imagination!!
the heathen   posted:10/10/2012 10:22:46 PM  (Reply)

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Astralsailor  posted:7/24/2012 4:04:28 AM  (Reply)
I was pondering the big bang and came to think about this as
the higgs boson seems to be on everybodys lips these days.

In the begining there was the singularity and from it in a very short period of time the universe was born
with all the nessesary ingredients there in to make it in to what it is today.

Was it a big bang tho, something that was flushed out of something as small as nothing in an instant?
I was thinking about what could come from a possible disruption in what they call the higgs field, or
what could be a field giving the "mass" to matter (I realize its far more complex then this makes it sound).
Could the higgs field in some way have had anything to do with the birth of the universe?

Perhaps there was only energy, only formlessness in a way I surely do not grasp.
Then maybe the higgs field gave this formlessness mass, shape and a continued evolution of everything.
This perhaps in a process that is something like a bigbang, a transformation from formless to form.

I do not have Phd in physics and I am only vaugly knowledgeble about quntom theory, but this is something
that I was intressted in hearing others opinions on.




The big bang is/was the creative spark within all existing in every instant.for all is a dream.one we make with every thought and action.in every moment.the big bang is always happening.it is our limited perceptions that stop us from seeing that and that there is no distance.all is in one space.all contained in the big bang.eternally happening.
Making all in three forms we all and everthing exists as: mythos,intermediate,and/ethereal,and physical.

Sincerely,david erick cardenas
Jaxerback   posted:10/10/2012 10:50:24 PM  (Reply)
Well that is an interesting theory.Since the past the present and the future are all illusionary concepts.
In fact mostly everything that we take for granted are illusions.


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