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mysticaura   posted:9/24/2010 4:15:01 AM  (Reply)
Mankind working together to stop polution and finding more and better ways to live and function on this earth with out distroying it more than we have. Like cars with mega filters so bad gases come out. Cars that run on garbage,sun light. Factories too. Or how about this thought. Go back to the old days when we weren't hurting the earth and life was simple. Like "Little House".
tapuout4985   posted:9/24/2010 4:58:30 AM  (Reply)
Mankind has always taken more than it needed though.  In the 1800s whites were hunting buffalo to near extinction, during the 100 Years War the English nearly decimated England's goose population just for making arrows, I have even read studies that suggest the wooly mammoth would have survived if not for human hunting.  We are a part of this Earth, but don't believe we actually fill any necessary niche.  We are destroyers.  I also think mankind over estimates its impact on the planet.  This rock has existed for billions of years; greenhouse gasses have fluxuated long before mankind started producing car exhaust and the temperature is in nonstop flux.  Sure, right now we may be adding to the rate of temperature increase, big woop.  One volcanic eruption can release enough sulfiric acid into the atmosphere to put the world in an ice age.  Earth has proven over its very long existence that life will always find a way to survive, even with us nasty humans raping day and night.
godlypunk   posted:9/24/2010 2:06:45 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/24/2010 4:58:30 AM  (Reply)
Mankind has always taken more than it needed though.  In the 1800s whites were hunting buffalo to near extinction, during the 100 Years War the English nearly decimated England's goose population just for making arrows, I have even read studies that suggest the wooly mammoth would have survived if not for human hunting.  We are a part of this Earth, but don't believe we actually fill any necessary niche.  We are destroyers.  I also think mankind over estimates its impact on the planet.  This rock has existed for billions of years; greenhouse gasses have fluxuated long before mankind started producing car exhaust and the temperature is in nonstop flux.  Sure, right now we may be adding to the rate of temperature increase, big woop.  One volcanic eruption can release enough sulfiric acid into the atmosphere to put the world in an ice age.  Earth has proven over its very long existence that life will always find a way to survive, even with us nasty humans raping day and night.
Well, true and false. Planets DO die. And the possibilty is there that what we do can over inflate what might have been, up to now, a slow cycle of Earth's existence. Just because it may survive doesn't mean we should stop trying to live better as a population. Kinda like a chain on a bike. Every three or four cycles the chain catches and realigns itself. But when we peddle harder it comes off all together. What exactly happened to Mars? What if they did what we are doing and instead of it bouncing back, they peddled hard enough to collapse the system all together. Granted we may find life there but just because it is in the habitable zone doesn't mean that it always happens that way.The way I see it, there is a black and white thinking going on with the whole global warming thing. It's either us, or a natural cycle. It's possible that both are going on. Except that we have pushed the dice that much closer to the edge of the table. I will never sit back with confidence that life on this rock will always continue, or that what we do will never remove it.
tapuout4985   posted:9/24/2010 2:35:37 PM  (Reply)

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godlypunk  posted:9/24/2010 2:06:45 PM  (Reply)
Well, true and false. Planets DO die. And the possibilty is there that what we do can over inflate what might have been, up to now, a slow cycle of Earth's existence. Just because it may survive doesn't mean we should stop trying to live better as a population. Kinda like a chain on a bike. Every three or four cycles the chain catches and realigns itself. But when we peddle harder it comes off all together. What exactly happened to Mars? What if they did what we are doing and instead of it bouncing back, they peddled hard enough to collapse the system all together. Granted we may find life there but just because it is in the habitable zone doesn't mean that it always happens that way.The way I see it, there is a black and white thinking going on with the whole global warming thing. It's either us, or a natural cycle. It's possible that both are going on. Except that we have pushed the dice that much closer to the edge of the table. I will never sit back with confidence that life on this rock will always continue, or that what we do will never remove it.
I agree with what you said about the bike, but...  Mars is too small of a planet too far from the sun to have plate tectonics which is really the driving force of creation.  It is the movement of the plates and resulting volcanic eruptions coupled with the moon's tidal effects that keep Earth alive.  Another thing that I have always wondered at is that life can't exist without the presence of life.  Plants and animals need each other for breathable air plus without plants and animals to maintain the atmosphere it would slowly dissipate into space.  It is really wild just how specific all the ingredients for life are and how they came together on this tiny little rock.  My big beef with the global warming activists is that they forcefully forget that it is a cycle.  CO2 goes up, plants have a more habitable atmosphere and plant life increases.  Swamps begin producing more methane and temperature goes up creating even more plant life.  Then all the extra plant life scrubs the extra CO2 from the atmosphere, the temperature goes down, and plant life decreases.  I believe that mainstream media and fadish thinking have created a sort of fatalist mentality in the world, where everyone thinks every little slight will cause the end of the world. 
godlypunk   posted:9/24/2010 3:15:46 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/24/2010 2:35:37 PM  (Reply)
I agree with what you said about the bike, but...  Mars is too small of a planet too far from the sun to have plate tectonics which is really the driving force of creation.  It is the movement of the plates and resulting volcanic eruptions coupled with the moon's tidal effects that keep Earth alive.  Another thing that I have always wondered at is that life can't exist without the presence of life.  Plants and animals need each other for breathable air plus without plants and animals to maintain the atmosphere it would slowly dissipate into space.  It is really wild just how specific all the ingredients for life are and how they came together on this tiny little rock.  My big beef with the global warming activists is that they forcefully forget that it is a cycle.  CO2 goes up, plants have a more habitable atmosphere and plant life increases.  Swamps begin producing more methane and temperature goes up creating even more plant life.  Then all the extra plant life scrubs the extra CO2 from the atmosphere, the temperature goes down, and plant life decreases.  I believe that mainstream media and fadish thinking have created a sort of fatalist mentality in the world, where everyone thinks every little slight will cause the end of the world. 
I've never heard that about life needing plate tectonics. I'm not sure I understand why. Even if the moon had much less effect and the ocean waves were almost non existent, I still don't understand why it would matter. Couldn't another force oxygenate water etc. I'm not disagreeing, just curious.
godlypunk   posted:9/24/2010 5:13:14 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/24/2010 2:35:37 PM  (Reply)
I agree with what you said about the bike, but...  Mars is too small of a planet too far from the sun to have plate tectonics which is really the driving force of creation.  It is the movement of the plates and resulting volcanic eruptions coupled with the moon's tidal effects that keep Earth alive.  Another thing that I have always wondered at is that life can't exist without the presence of life.  Plants and animals need each other for breathable air plus without plants and animals to maintain the atmosphere it would slowly dissipate into space.  It is really wild just how specific all the ingredients for life are and how they came together on this tiny little rock.  My big beef with the global warming activists is that they forcefully forget that it is a cycle.  CO2 goes up, plants have a more habitable atmosphere and plant life increases.  Swamps begin producing more methane and temperature goes up creating even more plant life.  Then all the extra plant life scrubs the extra CO2 from the atmosphere, the temperature goes down, and plant life decreases.  I believe that mainstream media and fadish thinking have created a sort of fatalist mentality in the world, where everyone thinks every little slight will cause the end of the world. 
Nevermind, I found it! Thanks, got this from "Liffe in the Universe" website.An important feature that sets the Earth apart from its planetary siblings is the process of plate tectonics, whereby rafts of rigid rock 'floating' on a sea of more mobile rock move slowly over the surface, powered by the dynamo of convection currents in the liquid metal of the Earth's outer core.Why is this process important for life? Plate tectonics is a vital part of the global cycle that maintains the carbon balance between atmosphere, hydrosphere and lithosphere.The phenomenon of plate tectonics, also known as "continental drift", derives directly from the internal structure of the Earth: a molten outer metallic core surrounding a solid inner metallic core, overlain by the mantle, a layer of partially molten silicate rocks, above which is the buoyant but rigid lithosphere.The Earth is delicately poised between snowball and greenhouse, and the key to this balance is the fate of carbon dioxide (CO2). The balance is maintained by the process of plate tectonics, removing CO2 at subduction margins and producing CO2 at volcanoes and hot springs.As far as we know, the Earth is the only planet in the Solar System to exhibit plate tectonics, although there has been a suggestion that a limited type of tectonic activity occurred early in Mars' history.Allied to the significance of plate tectonics in terms of the carbon cycle are the importance of mountain building and the competing process of erosion. At collision boundaries, rocks are uplifted into mountain chains. Gradual erosion of the mountains is countered by continued uplift.
tapuout4985   posted:9/26/2010 2:48:26 PM  (Reply)
Another idea I don't like is people who cry out over the Gulf Stream.  It is said that if the Gulf Stream stops the Northern Hemisphere will entire a new ice age.  No argument there.  What concerns me is that people think the Gulf Stream is permanent and I don't believe that is true.  This world is in constant motion; tectonic plates drift and collide and environmental factors change the chemical composition of the atmosphere changing the world climate.  The Guld Stream is temporary when speaking in terms of the geological clock, and it may be that we are nearer to the end of its life than we would like to believe.  I think too many environmental activists concern themselves with trying to stop the Earth changing, but that is a stupid and futile task.  It is more important that humanity learns how to adapt to live in the world as it changes around us; it is how we survived the previous ice ages, it is how we will hopefully survive future ice ages and future periods of increased heat.  Oceans rise and fall, ice caps melt and refreeze, and who are we to stop that?


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