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Is the Holy Bible the inspired word of God, or a plaigarized document full of logical flaws?


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jeff   posted:3/26/2010 5:37:11 AM  (Reply)
Post your thoughts / research here, please.
tapuout4985   posted:3/26/2010 4:50:29 PM  (Reply)
Hmmm, dangerous subject here.  I think a little of both.  I believe that the origins of the church were well intentioned.  They took the life of a man, for I believe that Jesus was real but not divine, and embellished it with aspects from other stories they were familiar with to try and create a religion and religious text that preached a message of peace and acceptence of the world around you.  Then 2,000 years of mistranslations, liars, and having the medieval papacy using the Bible as a means of establishing power have changed it drastically.  As I have said on the other thread, I don't believe that the argument of the Gospels being based in fact or not should detract from the message that Jesus preaches in them.
Hunter762   posted:3/26/2010 6:20:15 PM  (Reply)
This is a delicate subject isn't it.  Personaly I believe that the Bible is a collection of made up stories, anyone with any real common sence can see that.  The Bible came from men that did not know what an atom or a germ was and they're going to try and explain the creation of the universe.  The Bible only tried to give people a false hope that there could be something better.  People in this modern age should start to realize the truth to things and what the Bible really is.
tapuout4985   posted:3/26/2010 8:07:11 PM  (Reply)
I wouldn't say it is necessarily made up as much as I would say it was built upon the foundation of previous religions.  The Bible, also, isn't tyring to explain the natural order of the world like the old Greek and Nordic mythologies.  The Bible, or more appropriately the Gospels, tries to establish a social order.  A way for human kind to treat each other, a kingdom conscience.  People in this modern age should start to realize the truth to things and what the Bible really is.I believe by this you mean that people should realize the fact, or lack there of, in the Bible.  Like I have said I think that is mistake, both to take it as fact to begin with, and to argue the factual bases of it.  The truth of the Bible is that without sincere guidance and established laws of right and wrong mankind is capable of atrocious acts.  It's why the Bible makes such an effective weapon.  When you have a population that relies on a religious institution to tell them what the Bible teaches instead of reading and learning for themselves, that institution can teach whatever it wants and evil insues.  The Bible tries to teach the it is an individual's responsibility to be a good person, that the Kingdom of Heaven is inside you.
a1kemi   posted:3/28/2010 7:17:03 PM  (Reply)
Whate else to say? The only remaining mystery is why its so hard to accept the book's well known history in our modern age. When more people do we can at least focus on the more original texts and study those instead. The assyrian tablets, some of the nag hammadi texts and maybe find some more before its too late. I don't believe in these ones literally either but I still think they hold more value than a book short-listed and censored by the Roman government.So much fascinating history is being ignored because so much focus remains on the bible. I think its lack of credibility and originality is well established now. As far as symbolism goes, its rich in meaning but why take it literally anymore?Are there any scholars here who can provide some confirmation or contradict our views?
Shadow of Man   posted:4/1/2010 12:23:35 PM  (Reply)
"...a plaigarized document full of logical flaws" - That says it all!
Chriswin2010   posted:4/1/2010 1:57:33 PM  (Reply)
I managed to find something when i was researching neuroscience and brain psychology like I always do. It is a movie called ZeitGeist, there are two movies to this, but I am also in to highly advanced psysics and mechanical engineering, so I have something directly in common with this organization, but click the link below to watch the movies, they are kind of disturbing though and there are really good videos of cover up evidence, for instance in the video there were several witnesses recording hearing the floor below them explode in the world trade centers before the planes hit the top of the buldings. It also has very in depth research of the Bible and how it is nothing more to a book of references to astrological occurances, so god is not real, jesus never lived, and neither did his disciples or followers, they are nothing but star references during different astrological epochs.This is completely related to this subject by the way, each video has direct witnesses and videos of government conspiracy cover ups, it seems like a lot of people do the right thing and make copies of videos before the feds or CIA agents come knocking on their doors.http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/  
Chriswin2010   posted:4/1/2010 2:00:05 PM  (Reply)
Oh yeah as far as the logical flaws, that is true because constellations do not look that logical without the lines drawn to depict them, and if the ancient civilizations drew the constellation lines any different out world would be completely different.
Chriswin2010   posted:4/1/2010 2:00:28 PM  (Reply)

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Chriswin2010  posted:4/1/2010 2:00:05 PM  (Reply)
Oh yeah as far as the logical flaws, that is true because constellations do not look that logical without the lines drawn to depict them, and if the ancient civilizations drew the constellation lines any different out world would be completely different.
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Dave00pi   posted:4/1/2010 10:38:53 PM  (Reply)
You either read it and get it.. or you don't - i live my life and don't try to force my views on anyone- or even in my own mind judge anyone who doesn't have the same faith as me.  I can tell you however that all this new age stuff and discrediting the Bible, and the dilution of Christ's importance, even THAT is foretold in the bible.  As investigators looking for the truth, why not take a look at  the book of Revelation?  It is the greatest mystery writing of all time and is now is becoming more and more clear by the day to a great many people.Funny how some people will believe in the Illumiinati, the NWO and 911 was an inside job, but can't believe in the biggest conspiracy theory of all - that a group of angels revolted and are deceiving the people of this world into doing their bidding and by not being a pawn for the government and their "lies", they are unknowingly becoming a tool for Satan and even bigger lies.  If you don't believe in the bible, that is fine with me, but you are missing a key part into the investigation into the unknown, into the paranormal and not to mention missing out on the greatest gift of all.     
Valantor   posted:4/3/2010 3:22:14 PM  (Reply)
http://godisimaginary.com/i1.htm Very eye-opening.
Shadow of Man   posted:4/3/2010 6:09:35 PM  (Reply)

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Dave00pi  posted:4/1/2010 10:38:53 PM  (Reply)
You either read it and get it.. or you don't - i live my life and don't try to force my views on anyone- or even in my own mind judge anyone who doesn't have the same faith as me.  I can tell you however that all this new age stuff and discrediting the Bible, and the dilution of Christ's importance, even THAT is foretold in the bible.  As investigators looking for the truth, why not take a look at  the book of Revelation?  It is the greatest mystery writing of all time and is now is becoming more and more clear by the day to a great many people.Funny how some people will believe in the Illumiinati, the NWO and 911 was an inside job, but can't believe in the biggest conspiracy theory of all - that a group of angels revolted and are deceiving the people of this world into doing their bidding and by not being a pawn for the government and their "lies", they are unknowingly becoming a tool for Satan and even bigger lies.  If you don't believe in the bible, that is fine with me, but you are missing a key part into the investigation into the unknown, into the paranormal and not to mention missing out on the greatest gift of all.     
Like the prophecies of Nostradamus, which have been interpreted and re-interpreted over the years and have been attached to numerous events throughout time, vague interpretations of passages in a book (the bible) confirm it all for some people. Enjoy your fiction reading there, my friend. 
Dave00pi   posted:4/4/2010 11:36:10 AM  (Reply)

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Shadow of Man  posted:4/3/2010 6:09:35 PM  (Reply)
Like the prophecies of Nostradamus, which have been interpreted and re-interpreted over the years and have been attached to numerous events throughout time, vague interpretations of passages in a book (the bible) confirm it all for some people. Enjoy your fiction reading there, my friend. 
and good luck to you my friend navigating the wealth of mis-information on the internet without a compass. 
spiritech0   posted:4/9/2010 9:17:41 AM  (Reply)
Ya know how in sports there's the adage, "In order to be the champ, you have to beat the champ"?  And how "Pong" is now whatever the kids are messin' with on their v.r. headsets? If there's always something greater, then that's the answer - unless you NEED details.  Then, as scientists, you must recreate/research what your own intelligence experiences (it's just study) when you "pray to God". Am I wrong?
gloria    posted:4/9/2010 11:37:52 PM  (Reply)
......................................  well let me see, I'm going to just say what the bible mean's  to me. It save my life,  it's my comfort, I am not a fanatic, in fact I don't like people who yell at their top of their lungs,  screaming that God will smit you where you are standing, even though yes he can. The bible is not made of stories, that is  proven over and over again with the archaeology, they work hard to prove that is not made  up stories, like mosses, Abraham, it's what one of you said, "a way for a human to treat each other with kindness. if we did not have a quide of a book that would give you commandments, I think we would be lost. quidless...with no sence of the future, I know that God is around the corner with all that he promise, He gave man all the time they needed to chnage their evil way, and when I say evil I mean someone who kills, steal, and so on....yet if you turn around your life, then God forgives.When I said that God has save my life, I mean just that, I had a very Abusive father,  so abusive that I thank if I did not had a strong soul, a fighter to the end, I think I would of done away with my self, but you see, reading the bible gave me a glow in my soul, and I belive that it will be ok, once I walk out that door, and I did, and never turn back. I hated once, then realized, that was wrong, who was i that i could not forgive him if God forgives our bad deeds all the time.So this is what the bible is to me....        
Chriswin2010   posted:4/10/2010 11:34:06 AM  (Reply)

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spiritech0  posted:4/9/2010 9:17:41 AM  (Reply)
Ya know how in sports there's the adage, "In order to be the champ, you have to beat the champ"?  And how "Pong" is now whatever the kids are messin' with on their v.r. headsets? If there's always something greater, then that's the answer - unless you NEED details.  Then, as scientists, you must recreate/research what your own intelligence experiences (it's just study) when you "pray to God". Am I wrong?
That is definately true, I found the same thing out from researching mechanical engineering for 7 years solid. I have gotten to the point where I can make highly advanced generators and I know that infinate energy is in abundance all around us. The point is you do have to beat the champs in order to get anywhere, and I figured out how to do that. When people pray to god, nothing happens, so they are all just controls in that experience, until some one physically prove god is real. I personally do not believe in the God we worship because there are too many wrongful killings. We should have 5 or 6 billion people on this planet right now but we only have around 3 about 2 billion people were wrongfully murdered and a lot of them currently live in highly polluted areas. Where is god when there are communities living in mountain valleys surrounded by highly toxic factories and every kid automatically has cancer when they are born. Also if you apply microbiology and astronomy to the mix, where is god in that? Our planet is relatively peaceful and supporting life without current danger. But eventually we are ALL going to die, if that is gods plan then why is it a bad thing to kill yourself?
Chriswin2010   posted:4/10/2010 11:39:03 AM  (Reply)

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gloria   posted:4/9/2010 11:37:52 PM  (Reply)
......................................  well let me see, I'm going to just say what the bible mean's  to me. It save my life,  it's my comfort, I am not a fanatic, in fact I don't like people who yell at their top of their lungs,  screaming that God will smit you where you are standing, even though yes he can. The bible is not made of stories, that is  proven over and over again with the archaeology, they work hard to prove that is not made  up stories, like mosses, Abraham, it's what one of you said, "a way for a human to treat each other with kindness. if we did not have a quide of a book that would give you commandments, I think we would be lost. quidless...with no sence of the future, I know that God is around the corner with all that he promise, He gave man all the time they needed to chnage their evil way, and when I say evil I mean someone who kills, steal, and so on....yet if you turn around your life, then God forgives.When I said that God has save my life, I mean just that, I had a very Abusive father,  so abusive that I thank if I did not had a strong soul, a fighter to the end, I think I would of done away with my self, but you see, reading the bible gave me a glow in my soul, and I belive that it will be ok, once I walk out that door, and I did, and never turn back. I hated once, then realized, that was wrong, who was i that i could not forgive him if God forgives our bad deeds all the time.So this is what the bible is to me....        
I believe there is a god also, I have almost died about 4 times in my life and that is not an exaggeration. I feel like some one is watching over me all the time because I have plans to help a lot of people in the country. I was actually almost murdered 2 years ago and I ended up putting people in pridon from it for attempted murder. I believe there is a higher energy but our religious leaders are doing the wrong things by practicing satanic means, they punish bad people with torture, that is satanic, god forgives ALL, god does not put people in cages, he leads the wrong people to see what life really means.
Chriswin2010   posted:4/10/2010 11:39:30 AM  (Reply)

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Chriswin2010  posted:4/10/2010 11:39:03 AM  (Reply)
I believe there is a god also, I have almost died about 4 times in my life and that is not an exaggeration. I feel like some one is watching over me all the time because I have plans to help a lot of people in the country. I was actually almost murdered 2 years ago and I ended up putting people in pridon from it for attempted murder. I believe there is a higher energy but our religious leaders are doing the wrong things by practicing satanic means, they punish bad people with torture, that is satanic, god forgives ALL, god does not put people in cages, he leads the wrong people to see what life really means.
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gloria    posted:4/10/2010 8:17:11 PM  (Reply)
 I am glad you do believe in God, and it sounds like you have gone through hell.  It is true that all of us have a guardian angel , in the bible it says that God will confront with all of our sins, and our guardians is the one who will show what we have done or not done while being alive on earth.  I Too have felt a higher being next to me while I was going throu alot of bad times. is like all of a sudden I feel this energy that I say to my self " it's ok, you can make it. your strong stand up and move on"  And I have. 
Shadow of Man   posted:4/11/2010 3:47:44 PM  (Reply)

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gloria   posted:4/10/2010 8:17:11 PM  (Reply)
 I am glad you do believe in God, and it sounds like you have gone through hell.  It is true that all of us have a guardian angel , in the bible it says that God will confront with all of our sins, and our guardians is the one who will show what we have done or not done while being alive on earth.  I Too have felt a higher being next to me while I was going throu alot of bad times. is like all of a sudden I feel this energy that I say to my self " it's ok, you can make it. your strong stand up and move on"  And I have. 
Many other cultures would have a differnt explaination for that. Funny you would say "EVERYONE has a guardian angel", what if they are not Christian, do they still have one in your opinion? Sounds like your beliefs are faith based alone, you have never "seen" this angel have you?


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