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Levinus   posted:4/2/2012 8:20:10 AM  (Reply)
Everyone knows by now that I'm a 2012 fanatic and a data whore. I love science with a passion. Which is why, when I see a "scientist" commit apostasy…I get a little ticked off.
Douche-bag "Scientist"
I hope you watched that. If you did, let me explain what he just did to you. Mostly logical fallacies.

1. He made it okay to laugh at people who warn others. That is very not-okay. Sure, I don't buy the Nibiru/spiritual awakening stuff either. But that doesn't mean I'm going to laugh at someone in honest pursuit of the truth. Ever. (Icewolf…I said HONEST pursuit).
2. He lied through his teeth. "There is no evidence of a solar storm happening in 2012". Uhh…you idiot….they are happening all the time, nearly every week. Of course there is no evidence of a chaotic event. That's like saying "There is no evidence you'll get struck by lightning in a stormy field." That is a logical fallacy called "ad ignorantiam". Basically…we don't know…so therefore… http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/ Check the weather, for yourself.
3. Ad Hominem. He basically grouped legitimate science with very bad science. Which then made all the real scientists who want to save your ass look stupid.
4. Argument from Authority. Ice Wolf tried this one. "Scientist from NASA". Clearly believable.

I've written papers on this topic over and over again. It is clear there is a threat of solar storms. Not on 12/21/2012. I mean RIGHT NOW. Probably under a decent threat until mid 2014, maybe a bit longer. 2012 is not an exact date, its an approximation for me. Will a tornado occur in tornado season? YES. Will it affect us? I hope not. Same with solar storms.
What the idiot also didn't tell you is that NASA has been spending your tax dollars doing what it was made to do. Save our ass. They were part of a team that published a report in 2006 outlining the dangers. It's a long report, so save it for a slow night. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2009/21jan_severespaceweather/
He also didn't mention NASA funds the Solar Shield project. Another way to keep an eye out for solar storms. So, despite the seemingly laughable 2012 theory…it sure seems like they are working on something. Like I said…check the weather yourself.
I'm not saying panic and loot stores. I'm saying that complacency will kill you. We are entering the peak of a very dangerous time for our infrastructure…our society. Now is not the time to relax. It is a time to be informed, prepared, and cautious.
spiritech0   posted:4/2/2012 10:55:25 AM  (Reply)
Plus one internets for you again, Levinus.

Now for the looney binge.

I thought the Solar Shield was a combo of HAARP, contrail particles, and the World Grid. Well, that would be cool.
I thought Occam's Razor was NASA's shield for competitive pricing, of course.
I thought NASA put their own in looney bins for attempting to actually save us mundanes.
I like NASA scientists because they write awesome sci-fi:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4462

But, how are people from governors to electricians to kindergarted teachers to the naked savages in South America supposed to "prepare" for a "catastrophic" solar flare? I mean, if it fires off like Star War's Death Star and takes out our satellites and off the shelf batteries... Oh, wait. The savages will not be affected. Damn our gadgetry. lol
gary107   posted:4/2/2012 1:39:18 PM  (Reply)
"...it is vain to do with more what can be done with less." - Occam's razor
an issue in verbal logic that became a standard in the method of science. William Occam was an early English philopher who died about 1349 CE.
Ice Wolf   posted:4/2/2012 7:10:44 PM  (Reply)
Cut the shit Levinus. Stick your clouts to the mast. What do you believe about 2012? Where is your evidence for your beliefs?

If you don't do these 2 things I have every right to laugh at you.

Link to your 'papers' I'll critique them and we'll see what you know.

Yip, NASA sure is working on something. Maybe I should revive the mercurians?
weldkatom   posted:4/2/2012 7:32:48 PM  (Reply)
An bhfuil cead agam dul go di an leitheras?
weldkatom   posted:4/2/2012 7:49:44 PM  (Reply)
I agree with Mr Wolf on this issue.So the Mayan calender predicts some sort of disaster for the year 2012.What it all fairness did they base that on.

?Now I could predict anything hundreds of years from now,but I cant predict the lottery numbers for next weekend.

Sorry but it is all rubbish.
LincolnGenghis   posted:4/3/2012 12:23:01 AM  (Reply)
Not the Mayan calender thing again. The Mayan long count calender is circular like all there other calenders. There is nothing on that calender that I know of that says anything specific about anything happening on the last day. As far as I know its just like all their other circular calenders. The day after the end of it just means you start back at the beginning again. All their calenders were like that. They had 13 day calenders, 20 day calenders, moon cycle calenders and probably even had poop cycle calenders.They were slightly obsessive about time in general.

The only thing the Mayan long count calender has done for people in present day is separated them from money in their wallets on real poorly written books.

It never hurts to prepare for something though if it its possible I suppose. I think the only real threat that is currently lurking around everywhere right now would be a huge economic collapse of several governments. A total breakdown like that would look like the end of the world to allot of people. Now that stuff if you go through the numbers, financials and statistics on the whole thing it is disturbing. It does not look like it has hit a tipping point yet though, and there are some indications that it might slowly easing back from the edge. It is still currently correctable. (Which is a good thing)

Basically I am looking forward to 2013. It will finally be the end of all the Mayan crap. And to celebrate 2012 up right I am going to have an end of the world BBQ with allot of beer that day (The last day of the Mayan Calender). I might even fashion up a tin foil Chefs hat for the occasion.

And you know If I am completely wrong on the Mayan thing and the end of the world does happen , what better way to go out then with a beer in my hand manning a charcoal grill.

And Hopefully I will make it to heaven a half an hour before the devil knows I'm dead.





LincolnGenghis   posted:4/3/2012 12:24:43 AM  (Reply)
weldkatom   posted:4/3/2012 7:41:52 AM  (Reply)

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LincolnGenghis  posted:4/3/2012 12:23:01 AM  (Reply)
Not the Mayan calender thing again. The Mayan long count calender is circular like all there other calenders. There is nothing on that calender that I know of that says anything specific about anything happening on the last day. As far as I know its just like all their other circular calenders. The day after the end of it just means you start back at the beginning again. All their calenders were like that. They had 13 day calenders, 20 day calenders, moon cycle calenders and probably even had poop cycle calenders.They were slightly obsessive about time in general.

The only thing the Mayan long count calender has done for people in present day is separated them from money in their wallets on real poorly written books.

It never hurts to prepare for something though if it its possible I suppose. I think the only real threat that is currently lurking around everywhere right now would be a huge economic collapse of several governments. A total breakdown like that would look like the end of the world to allot of people. Now that stuff if you go through the numbers, financials and statistics on the whole thing it is disturbing. It does not look like it has hit a tipping point yet though, and there are some indications that it might slowly easing back from the edge. It is still currently correctable. (Which is a good thing)

Basically I am looking forward to 2013. It will finally be the end of all the Mayan crap. And to celebrate 2012 up right I am going to have an end of the world BBQ with allot of beer that day (The last day of the Mayan Calender). I might even fashion up a tin foil Chefs hat for the occasion.

And you know If I am completely wrong on the Mayan thing and the end of the world does happen , what better way to go out then with a beer in my hand manning a charcoal grill.

And Hopefully I will make it to heaven a half an hour before the devil knows I'm dead.





Brilliant,fire up that barbey!!!!
spooky1   posted:4/3/2012 8:43:53 AM  (Reply)
God, why is ice wolf still here?? Dosent he have a site he can go to that has hiss intrests in mind ?
spooky1   posted:4/3/2012 8:46:54 AM  (Reply)

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LincolnGenghis  posted:4/3/2012 12:23:01 AM  (Reply)
Not the Mayan calender thing again. The Mayan long count calender is circular like all there other calenders. There is nothing on that calender that I know of that says anything specific about anything happening on the last day. As far as I know its just like all their other circular calenders. The day after the end of it just means you start back at the beginning again. All their calenders were like that. They had 13 day calenders, 20 day calenders, moon cycle calenders and probably even had poop cycle calenders.They were slightly obsessive about time in general.

The only thing the Mayan long count calender has done for people in present day is separated them from money in their wallets on real poorly written books.

It never hurts to prepare for something though if it its possible I suppose. I think the only real threat that is currently lurking around everywhere right now would be a huge economic collapse of several governments. A total breakdown like that would look like the end of the world to allot of people. Now that stuff if you go through the numbers, financials and statistics on the whole thing it is disturbing. It does not look like it has hit a tipping point yet though, and there are some indications that it might slowly easing back from the edge. It is still currently correctable. (Which is a good thing)

Basically I am looking forward to 2013. It will finally be the end of all the Mayan crap. And to celebrate 2012 up right I am going to have an end of the world BBQ with allot of beer that day (The last day of the Mayan Calender). I might even fashion up a tin foil Chefs hat for the occasion.

And you know If I am completely wrong on the Mayan thing and the end of the world does happen , what better way to go out then with a beer in my hand manning a charcoal grill.

And Hopefully I will make it to heaven a half an hour before the devil knows I'm dead.





Can we all come ? GREEN BATTLE UNICORN can pick everyone up. Ahhahaha
spiritech0   posted:4/3/2012 4:46:56 PM  (Reply)
Scroll down and read the list on the right hand side showing the other numbers. Confirm these measurements of time with your favorite resources. Then discuss "Time Wave Zero".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012
Levinus   posted:4/3/2012 9:43:30 PM  (Reply)

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Ice Wolf  posted:4/2/2012 7:10:44 PM  (Reply)
Cut the shit Levinus. Stick your clouts to the mast. What do you believe about 2012? Where is your evidence for your beliefs?

If you don't do these 2 things I have every right to laugh at you.

Link to your 'papers' I'll critique them and we'll see what you know.

Yip, NASA sure is working on something. Maybe I should revive the mercurians?
Wow, apparently I need to explain myself. And give proof. I'm good like that, Ice.

As requested,

Link to my papers: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12507&page=1

There you go! You can download it for free. And Ice, feel free to critique the National Academy of Sciences. They wrote it, not me.

Personally, I believe there is a likelihood of a strong solar storm, similar to the Carrington Event. I believe it could happen around 2012 or early 2013. Again, I'm saying that a solar storm could be a threat to our infrastructure. I'm not saying anything WILL happen. I'm just saying it is a little known threat with a lot of scary potential.

My evidence for believing this stems from a lot of study on the matter. I've read that report, I've reviewed the science, and for the last three years, I've been monitoring solar activity myself. Again, I already provided this link http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/SWN/index.html

Ice, you crack me up. I like how you put "papers" in quotes. As if free publications by the NAS isn't legitimate enough for you.

For those of you who don't know, the National Academy of Sciences is basically the big cheese of science. All nerds bow to their greatness. They also cover a HUGE range of topics, so rummage around and you'll dig up some cool stuff.
Levinus   posted:4/3/2012 9:46:15 PM  (Reply)
Lincoln, I'm with you on the Mayans. Calendars don't really bother me at all. I find their cyclical calendar just to be a coincidence. Why wouldn't it be? The crazy guys spent their lives worshiping the sun. Odds are, they'd get something to line up.

I'd like to remind everyone again, particularly Ice, that I don't believe the world will end in 2012. I use the term "2012" as an approximation for the likelihood of solar influence. Nothing else. No one is going to die or explode.
Bugsy McCoy   posted:4/4/2012 9:14:01 AM  (Reply)
Once again Ice Wolf jumps to the conclusion that everyone on here is a paranoid fantasist who believes in everything from fairies to 21/12/2012... and is in no way skeptical and so he jumps in waving his huge rod of logic and reason... ready to convert people and then when someone clarifys their standpoint (god forbid it would be the same as his) he disappears... only to surface again to jump to another conclusion and openly laugh at people without the facts and make out his criticisms are the be all and end all. it seems he truly believes everyone on this forum is a believer in the paranormal fullstop and that we have no skepticism or questioning skills and so he comes in and says "theres fairies on mercury" expecting everyone to follow his every word but when he meets skepticism he ignores it and carrys on regardless with his superiorty complex. he seems to read posts under the impression that that person is a definate believer in all things "ridiculous" as he would call it and so reads it warped in his mind and then replies with a vulgar and condesending tone (albeit not heard) Ice Wolf: The Superior King Of Logic & Truth ~ Everyone Else: Deluded Misguided Niave Inferiors.
I Think the ice wolf is applying for the "resident skeptic" allocation... because... theres not one skeptic among us... some people on this forum have battle unicorns... i read it so it must be true! because i believe everythinggggggggg i am told. i apologise for this rant but i am still trying to get oover the personal attack i recieved from the Ice Wolf!... i am more than happy to get attacked but no where to the extent of fantasy ice wolf was making out! failing to actually read what people are saying to a proper degree enough to make a retort or contridicting statement... instead just laugh at them. anyway this is my opinion... and therefore it is true! Bugsy
LincolnGenghis   posted:4/4/2012 11:13:49 PM  (Reply)
And you know my whole take on the thing is Ice Wolf probably is nuts. I Have been a skeptic on the Mayan calender for a long time. After that point is where Ice Wolf and myself part company in thinking and logic. The only reason I doubt in the Mayan calender as a doomsday marker is from allot of research into the whole thing and understanding what it really says. And I leave the possibility that I could be wrong about my logic.

I think Ice Wolf chimed in because he still has it in for Levinus who was the first to jump on his mercury BS and called his Mercury crap BS first. Who knows I think you (Bugsy)and Levinus both have some interesting points in the whole thing. There is definitely some weird stuff seemingly going on with scientists right now and I am curious about that. My only skepticism is really with the calender. There is just not enough real evidence to tell me that the calender is even remotely part of anything going on.
LincolnGenghis   posted:4/4/2012 11:40:50 PM  (Reply)
And Bugsy I like your rant its perfect. And to come absolutely clean to Ice Wolf to really get his blood going. I Have lived in a very haunted place for a year quite some time back and I saw some things that I can not for the life of me explain. If I did not see them for myself I never would have believed them at the time. Being in the science/engineering field I am in, I went thru everything with a fine tooth comb and researched the hell out of the whole thing and had portable research equipment at my disposal at the time. I came out of it with the undying knowledge that yes there are some spirits that exist. So stick that in your Stout Ice Wolf.

LincolnGenghis   posted:4/4/2012 11:54:52 PM  (Reply)

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spooky1  posted:4/3/2012 8:46:54 AM  (Reply)
Can we all come ? GREEN BATTLE UNICORN can pick everyone up. Ahhahaha
Ahh you don't realize how cold it will be here in December. The Unicorn will no doubt have a sweater on sitting by the fire place. Only a truly insane Half Norwegian crazy bastard like myself will be out BBQing.
Bugsy McCoy   posted:4/5/2012 3:10:04 PM  (Reply)
i think the whole 2012 doomsday thing is a collaboration of data... nostradamus predicted something in 2012, the I Ching has some sort of prediction... the mayan calendar ends in 2012... the Hopi indians have predictions of 2012, its true that the mayans had working knowlkedge of the universe that is frankkly impossible... they knew there was a black hole in the centre of the galazy and we didnt for the longest time... but that goes right back into ancient astronaut theorists, these and many other 2012 based predictions from the delphic oracle to the book of revelations... this combined with certain celestial events that will occur in the time period leads to Niburu and Planet X and all the different brances of 2012... i personally hope something does happen... infact Ice Wolf the world will end... i know it.... because I AM THE CAUSE! and lincolnG i am interested reading your post for someone in your field with the equipment to make such a statement its refreshingggggg, im always happy yo ear peoples experiences!


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