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Tao   posted:7/7/2010 1:43:15 PM  (Reply)
Again, all secret orders/orgajnizations work together. Suggest for reading: "THE BROTHERHOOD OF THE ROSE", authored by David Morrell.
tapuout4985   posted:7/13/2010 2:29:04 PM  (Reply)
I have to say that the idea of all secret orders and societies working together is hard to believe.  Is it possible that many of them would make the attempt, yes.  Would it work, no.  All secret orders and societies would be a number of people reaching into the millions.  No organization that large can survive without collapsing.  Human beings are too ambitious for all to agree on one view to support; everyone wants his/her individual belief to become everyone else's belief.  Sure, the Catholic church has now existed for almost 2000 years, big whoop.  For the last 15 years the two Catholic churches closest to my home have been feuding over what theology to teach.  The church itself is broken into several orders that all disagree with what teachings are important.  I think a belief that every society in the world is working together for the detriment of humanity is a cowardly take on reality.  It has the ring of a defeatist mentality, the "oh woe is me, everyone is against me" mentality that leads to individuals giving up.  Fom what I've seen most secret societies gain their power because supposedly free individuals fail to act.  When action is necessary a lone person usually fails or freezes, but a person with the influence and teachings of a society or brotherhood behind them will succeed.   
Joshy Unbound   posted:7/13/2010 3:46:19 PM  (Reply)
Ummm... where and what are Obama's "Jesuit Connections?" There's nothing here about that at all... only a plug for a fictional 1980's spy novel.
gemini663181   posted:8/10/2010 1:20:38 PM  (Reply)
There are so many ridiculous accusations about President Obama For example he is the Devil, the beast666 and that his speeches played backwards are saying stupid things like worship satan. Cant we all just exept the fact that we have a african American President and stop trying to find ways to cover our rascism!!!! In this modern age we should respect the President and support him in any way possible. As If the last President was a superstar!!!
tapuout4985   posted:8/10/2010 4:46:47 PM  (Reply)

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gemini663181  posted:8/10/2010 1:20:38 PM  (Reply)
There are so many ridiculous accusations about President Obama For example he is the Devil, the beast666 and that his speeches played backwards are saying stupid things like worship satan. Cant we all just exept the fact that we have a african American President and stop trying to find ways to cover our rascism!!!! In this modern age we should respect the President and support him in any way possible. As If the last President was a superstar!!!
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say that my personal issues with Pres. Obama have nothing to do with him being African/Caucasian American.  It has eveything to do with his lying two-faced nature, and the rediculous debt he has added to America's already rediculous debt.  I think that he (abd pretty much every president before him) has done plenty to deserve being called terrible things by people of all political views without race ever being an issue. 
gemini663181   posted:8/12/2010 1:24:25 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:8/10/2010 4:46:47 PM  (Reply)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say that my personal issues with Pres. Obama have nothing to do with him being African/Caucasian American.  It has eveything to do with his lying two-faced nature, and the rediculous debt he has added to America's already rediculous debt.  I think that he (abd pretty much every president before him) has done plenty to deserve being called terrible things by people of all political views without race ever being an issue. 
Thanks for the clarification!!! I commend you on your ability to clear up any racial factors in your judgment of our president!!! There are so many race based analysis on the internet that it is hard to tell what is based on performance and what is based on race. Once again thank you.
gemini663181   posted:9/1/2010 12:41:58 PM  (Reply)
I think that after all the bad presidents we have had in America, We should look at what good they have done!!!! Without the war starters and the ones who fought to keep certain segments of the population of our great country down, Our present leader has not done anything to purposely cause pain and suffering to our nation. We should support him in the hard task that is before him(like cleaning up the mess that the president before him created such as starting wars all over the planet. And the finnancial mess that he inherited is overwhelming!!!! Before people like the tea party condemn our president they should explain where they were when our nation was going to war over false accusations and oil!!!!!! This is written by a five time combat veteran who has seen what a bad president can do in the name of oil!!!! And no one gave any critique of his policy. Support our president and be on his side no matter what as Americans we should be patriots not political Whores!!!!!
tapuout4985   posted:9/1/2010 10:14:45 PM  (Reply)

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gemini663181  posted:9/1/2010 12:41:58 PM  (Reply)
I think that after all the bad presidents we have had in America, We should look at what good they have done!!!! Without the war starters and the ones who fought to keep certain segments of the population of our great country down, Our present leader has not done anything to purposely cause pain and suffering to our nation. We should support him in the hard task that is before him(like cleaning up the mess that the president before him created such as starting wars all over the planet. And the finnancial mess that he inherited is overwhelming!!!! Before people like the tea party condemn our president they should explain where they were when our nation was going to war over false accusations and oil!!!!!! This is written by a five time combat veteran who has seen what a bad president can do in the name of oil!!!! And no one gave any critique of his policy. Support our president and be on his side no matter what as Americans we should be patriots not political Whores!!!!!
I am also a veteran, 6 years from 2003 to 2009, and I have to say that I have never seen any evidence that the United States went to war with Iraq over oil.  It is an easy accusation to make because Iraq has oil and it is important to our country, but at no point in our entire occupation of that country did we ever take advantage of their oil supply and our ability to just take it if we wanted to.  It has been made abundantly clear that America was leaving the Iraqi oil supplies in the hands of the locals so they could help pay for the rebuilding of their own country.  I also don't think Obama deserves any credit for trying to "fix" the economy considering he spent the same amount of money on one bailout of the banks than Bush spent in 7 years of war in Iraq.  Taking money from the tax payers and giving it straight to the top of the financial pyramid does not stimulate an economy.  I do not agree with going to war in Iraq, but I support a president who sees America attacked and decides to go to war against all comers before I could ever support a president who wants to bow, and grovel, and apologize, and kiss ass to every small time leader in the world for the "wrongs" America has done in the past.  I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.-- James Baldwin
Joshy Unbound   posted:9/2/2010 10:39:27 AM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/1/2010 10:14:45 PM  (Reply)
I am also a veteran, 6 years from 2003 to 2009, and I have to say that I have never seen any evidence that the United States went to war with Iraq over oil.  It is an easy accusation to make because Iraq has oil and it is important to our country, but at no point in our entire occupation of that country did we ever take advantage of their oil supply and our ability to just take it if we wanted to.  It has been made abundantly clear that America was leaving the Iraqi oil supplies in the hands of the locals so they could help pay for the rebuilding of their own country.  I also don't think Obama deserves any credit for trying to "fix" the economy considering he spent the same amount of money on one bailout of the banks than Bush spent in 7 years of war in Iraq.  Taking money from the tax payers and giving it straight to the top of the financial pyramid does not stimulate an economy.  I do not agree with going to war in Iraq, but I support a president who sees America attacked and decides to go to war against all comers before I could ever support a president who wants to bow, and grovel, and apologize, and kiss ass to every small time leader in the world for the "wrongs" America has done in the past.  I love America more than any other country in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her perpetually.-- James Baldwin
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tapuout4985   posted:9/2/2010 1:22:49 PM  (Reply)

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Joshy Unbound  posted:9/2/2010 10:39:27 AM  (Reply)
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I neither claimed that the war in Iraq was just nor denounced Obama's peaceful stance.  What I did denounce is the loss of face that America suffers when Obama apologizes for acts and policies in America's past.  It is an outward show of dissention within the American government that weakens our clout in international politics.  Our government's primary responsibility is to the protection of Americans' rights and to keep Americans happy, not to be trying to please foreign powers by being submissive to them.  I agree that the war in Iraq was founded on possibly falsified and certainly misleading evidence and I don't agree with how the war in Iraq or Afghanistan has been handled.  George H. W. Bush was accused of war crimes by a Panama general, in prison for war crimes himself, who claimed Bush Sr killed Japanese fishermen in WWII.  How a Panama dictator could know this beyond hearsay I don't know.  George W. Bush's war crimes accusations are that using predator drones to attack specific individuals is assassination not war.  Obama did the same thing when he ordered the cruise missile bombing of Yemen (a country we are not at war with) in an attempt to kill Anwar Al Awlaki for his part in the Fort Hood shooting.  Al Awlaki is an American citizen (or was anyway, not sure if he still is).  Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is easy to accuse people of doing wrong years and years after they have acted and the specific details around their actions have been forgotten.  You accuse Bush for negligence and the attacks of 9/11; he had only been in office 9 months, the attacks were being planned for much longer than that (evidence shows the original plans for airline attacks on America go back as far as 1995).  The failure to identify the evidence leading to the attacks of 9/11 can not be placed on one man, but must be placed on the failure of the ever growing bureaucracy that is the American intelligence system.  It was a tragic case of the left hand not telling the right hand what's going on, but in this instance there were dozens of hands not talking to each other.
tapuout4985   posted:9/2/2010 1:24:49 PM  (Reply)

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Joshy Unbound  posted:9/2/2010 10:39:27 AM  (Reply)
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P.S. I am not James Baldwin.  Mr. Baldwin was an American writer who was active during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s.  Not a huge fan of his writing myself, but I've always loved that quote and have to respect the man for his actions.
tapuout4985   posted:9/2/2010 1:49:39 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/2/2010 1:22:49 PM  (Reply)
I neither claimed that the war in Iraq was just nor denounced Obama's peaceful stance.  What I did denounce is the loss of face that America suffers when Obama apologizes for acts and policies in America's past.  It is an outward show of dissention within the American government that weakens our clout in international politics.  Our government's primary responsibility is to the protection of Americans' rights and to keep Americans happy, not to be trying to please foreign powers by being submissive to them.  I agree that the war in Iraq was founded on possibly falsified and certainly misleading evidence and I don't agree with how the war in Iraq or Afghanistan has been handled.  George H. W. Bush was accused of war crimes by a Panama general, in prison for war crimes himself, who claimed Bush Sr killed Japanese fishermen in WWII.  How a Panama dictator could know this beyond hearsay I don't know.  George W. Bush's war crimes accusations are that using predator drones to attack specific individuals is assassination not war.  Obama did the same thing when he ordered the cruise missile bombing of Yemen (a country we are not at war with) in an attempt to kill Anwar Al Awlaki for his part in the Fort Hood shooting.  Al Awlaki is an American citizen (or was anyway, not sure if he still is).  Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is easy to accuse people of doing wrong years and years after they have acted and the specific details around their actions have been forgotten.  You accuse Bush for negligence and the attacks of 9/11; he had only been in office 9 months, the attacks were being planned for much longer than that (evidence shows the original plans for airline attacks on America go back as far as 1995).  The failure to identify the evidence leading to the attacks of 9/11 can not be placed on one man, but must be placed on the failure of the ever growing bureaucracy that is the American intelligence system.  It was a tragic case of the left hand not telling the right hand what's going on, but in this instance there were dozens of hands not talking to each other.
I would also like to add that I don't agree with any of the foreign policies America has had since WW I.  I think that if our foreign policies have pushed a significant group of people to violate one of the fundamental edicts of their religion (not to kill women and children) it stands that it would probably be a good idea to look back over those policies and see just what went wrong and change it.
treeofgreen   posted:9/9/2010 11:10:32 PM  (Reply)

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tapuout4985  posted:9/2/2010 1:24:49 PM  (Reply)
P.S. I am not James Baldwin.  Mr. Baldwin was an American writer who was active during the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s.  Not a huge fan of his writing myself, but I've always loved that quote and have to respect the man for his actions.
if Obama was to apologise for everything the US has done wrong internationally then he would be saying sorry for the next 100 years. Thats a big list to get through.


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