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heretic5   posted:5/6/2008 5:49:13 PM  (Reply)
Christianity was distorted by additions to the Bible (Old plus New Testaments). A way to detect those additions was discovered and used. The results are similar in some ways to the common versions of Christianity; but different in other ways. The results are available for inspection at http://greatriddle.flifree.com
Darvo2   posted:5/13/2008 7:48:19 AM  (Reply)
Christianity wasn't just distorted by additions to the bible but by additions to the faith. Started pretty much with the Roman Catholic, then Catholic, Luthren, Episcipallion, Baptist, and a score of different types under one religion. Ridiculous. They tailor their faith to their specific interests. A hundred different interpretations for one verse. Makes sense to me.
jeff   posted:5/13/2008 5:40:13 PM  (Reply)

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Darvo2  posted:5/13/2008 7:48:19 AM  (Reply)
Christianity wasn't just distorted by additions to the bible but by additions to the faith. Started pretty much with the Roman Catholic, then Catholic, Luthren, Episcipallion, Baptist, and a score of different types under one religion. Ridiculous. They tailor their faith to their specific interests. A hundred different interpretations for one verse. Makes sense to me.
I find it absolutely amazing that people can even communicate based on the infinite number of interpretations of every single word, let alone words that are emotionally charged with the death of consciousness--if you misinterpret them. I cannot help but view all religions as bullets in a hand gun. When you're born, you're given this gun, told to spin the barrel, and pull the trigger--the TRUE religion is the empty chamber. Tell you what, if that's the game we're supposed to play, by all means, burn me forever. I'm not playing.
luvdase   posted:5/19/2008 4:43:23 PM  (Reply)
as with some things that we, humanity gets our infant hands on, we tend to mull and distort a bit.ie...e=mc2,religion,democracy,etc.....But truth,life tends to find a way,if we can survive the instinct to dominate and completely control
ConstantlyWatching   posted:7/8/2008 1:29:04 PM  (Reply)
There is really no Christianity. The latest find of the 1st Century BCE stone makes that very apparent. If you never heard of this stone you need to look at more news. It's only been in the last couple of days that it has come to the general public.
harper   posted:7/8/2008 1:40:31 PM  (Reply)
constance, please to tell what is BCE stone?
vict123oria   posted:7/9/2008 10:48:51 PM  (Reply)
there is a book out by the title,i love jesus but hate christianity..following others is detramentle to our own spiritual path of evelution,throughout the ages the bible has been written to obscure the true meaning of being christian,there are many matters that need to be bought to the surface,firstly and most importantly christ left mary in charge of the church,realising mans potential for abusing the power of god,by ways of guilt,shame and victimisation through abuse via priests and young children,christ knew only a woman could be honest to the teachings of christ,,im rather suprised that many christians dont believe in reincarnation yet christ rose from the dead and reincarnated to confort mary and let her know death is but an illusion,through ascension the soul can continue living..forgivness is the most important key to christs message,in his final words he said forgive them father ,for they know not what they do..this is one of the simplist,yet hardest for most people to accept..to forgive those that have wronged us ..once we can accept this we can release the karma of our past until we are finally free to create sweet music and co create our world into what our hearts trully desire..
Shadow of Man   posted:8/16/2008 10:14:43 PM  (Reply)
Jesus never existed, his story was plagiarized from the a number of sources such as the Egyptian god Horus. There is a great deal of proof out there. Check out: http://www.thegodmovie.com/ - a great source of information on it. Makes me wonder about what else about Christianity is made up also.
caniswalensis   posted:8/17/2008 12:32:32 AM  (Reply)

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Shadow of Man  posted:8/16/2008 10:14:43 PM  (Reply)
Jesus never existed, his story was plagiarized from the a number of sources such as the Egyptian god Horus. There is a great deal of proof out there. Check out: http://www.thegodmovie.com/ - a great source of information on it. Makes me wonder about what else about Christianity is made up also.
Hmmmmmm, I would never take the word of one of these documentery films like this, or 'Bowling for Colombine' or 'Expelled.' the people who make them are attrempting to advance some agenda, and the end product is a highly biased work that often makes outright lies look like fact. Canis
Shadow of Man   posted:8/17/2008 10:13:07 AM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:8/17/2008 12:32:32 AM  (Reply)
Hmmmmmm, I would never take the word of one of these documentery films like this, or 'Bowling for Colombine' or 'Expelled.' the people who make them are attrempting to advance some agenda, and the end product is a highly biased work that often makes outright lies look like fact. Canis
If you don't want to belief the evidence in a documentary, then look to the Bible itself for the evidence. The very first mention of Jesus by Saul was approximately 70 years after Jesus' supposed death. 70 years! You would think that the "Son of God" who died for mankind would have deserved some kind of mention during those 70 years, instead Saul states that Jesus was seen in a vision and that he (Jesus) never existed here, instead the events of Jesus' life took place in another realm or world.
jeff   posted:8/17/2008 4:59:51 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:8/17/2008 12:32:32 AM  (Reply)
Hmmmmmm, I would never take the word of one of these documentery films like this, or 'Bowling for Colombine' or 'Expelled.' the people who make them are attrempting to advance some agenda, and the end product is a highly biased work that often makes outright lies look like fact. Canis
Canis...what about your mental agenda of spreading the importance of reason, skepticism, analysis, and enlightened thought? Should we not take your word either, as a result of this bias? A biased individual can still have a good point as you often do, and I would like to think, although I cannot prove, that most people don't take anyone for their word, except if there is cultural pressure to do so, as is the case with people's acceptance of government and opinions of the mainstream media.
caniswalensis   posted:8/18/2008 9:04:59 AM  (Reply)

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Shadow of Man  posted:8/17/2008 10:13:07 AM  (Reply)
If you don't want to belief the evidence in a documentary, then look to the Bible itself for the evidence. The very first mention of Jesus by Saul was approximately 70 years after Jesus' supposed death. 70 years! You would think that the "Son of God" who died for mankind would have deserved some kind of mention during those 70 years, instead Saul states that Jesus was seen in a vision and that he (Jesus) never existed here, instead the events of Jesus' life took place in another realm or world.
Well, there is some controversy as to when the new testament was even set down on paper. Different theories put the date as early as 50 A.D. to as late as 130 A.D., so it is difficult to say when it was written and when Jesus was mentioned first. Since the whole new testimaent revolves around Jesus and his teachings, the bit about the first mention of jesus being seventy years after his death sounds like the type of distortion I am referring to in these kinds of documenteries. As to the vision thing, more than one person in the new testimaent had visions of jesus. The majority of the gospels are written in a manner that undeniably portrays jesus as a real living person in our real world. he was crucified by a Roman Prefect, Pontius Pilate, who is a real historical figure that actually existed and is referenced in Roman historical records. Whether you believe in the devine nature or historical reality of Jesus is your choice. there are many ways to interperit the text of the new testament and like an ink blot, people will see what they want to in it. My only point is that documentary movies like this one are not to be trusted. These are deep topics that can take many hours of research and study to understand correctly. skimming over them in a movie, (or a post like mine, for that matter) does not do justice to the truth. If they raise questions that you find intriguing, that is fine, and if you are inspired to go looking for answers to the questions that is a good thing. Believing everything the producers of a documentary like this tell you is not so good. Regards, Canis
caniswalensis   posted:8/18/2008 9:20:20 AM  (Reply)

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jeff  posted:8/17/2008 4:59:51 PM  (Reply)
Canis...what about your mental agenda of spreading the importance of reason, skepticism, analysis, and enlightened thought? Should we not take your word either, as a result of this bias? A biased individual can still have a good point as you often do, and I would like to think, although I cannot prove, that most people don't take anyone for their word, except if there is cultural pressure to do so, as is the case with people's acceptance of government and opinions of the mainstream media.
Hi Jeff, As always, you bring up a good point here yourself. I would have to answer: "NO!" You should never take the word of some guy that posts in an internet forum! :-) But this forum, like any good conversation, can be a soundingboard an inspiration for new ways of thinking and new areas of interest. Documentaries are similar, but they are also made to make money, so they are a little more suspect in my opinion. They are also different from a conversation in that they are one-sided affairs in a very powerful medium that has been well used for propaganda since its earliest days. If I or anyone says something that challenges your way of thinking, you should first take it with a grain of salt, but mull it over, and if it seems to have any merit, maybe do some research(preferably from multiple sources), and come to you own conclusions. We have quite different views on the world, and while I doubt I will ever adopt yours, you have been giving me a lot to think about lately and that is very valuable to me because it helps me to clarify and refine my own outlook on life. Canis
Shadow of Man   posted:8/18/2008 11:11:00 AM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:8/18/2008 9:04:59 AM  (Reply)
Well, there is some controversy as to when the new testament was even set down on paper. Different theories put the date as early as 50 A.D. to as late as 130 A.D., so it is difficult to say when it was written and when Jesus was mentioned first. Since the whole new testimaent revolves around Jesus and his teachings, the bit about the first mention of jesus being seventy years after his death sounds like the type of distortion I am referring to in these kinds of documenteries. As to the vision thing, more than one person in the new testimaent had visions of jesus. The majority of the gospels are written in a manner that undeniably portrays jesus as a real living person in our real world. he was crucified by a Roman Prefect, Pontius Pilate, who is a real historical figure that actually existed and is referenced in Roman historical records. Whether you believe in the devine nature or historical reality of Jesus is your choice. there are many ways to interperit the text of the new testament and like an ink blot, people will see what they want to in it. My only point is that documentary movies like this one are not to be trusted. These are deep topics that can take many hours of research and study to understand correctly. skimming over them in a movie, (or a post like mine, for that matter) does not do justice to the truth. If they raise questions that you find intriguing, that is fine, and if you are inspired to go looking for answers to the questions that is a good thing. Believing everything the producers of a documentary like this tell you is not so good. Regards, Canis
That documentary is not the only piece of evidence that is just the example I used. I have researched a great deal myself on the subject and there is much evidence out there. For example (again just one example) is how similar the story of Jesus is to the Egyptian god Horus and others. As for what material "may be" missing from the Testaments, anyone can claim such things'. I personally do not believe in Christianity (hence my title of Etamin�a – shaman) and I do not believe that Jesus ever existed. What I have been trying to say here is that people need to open their eyes, examine all the evidence and decide for themselves what the "real" truth is for them. I myself belief the bible is just another history book written by people with their own point of view of the "facts".
caniswalensis   posted:8/18/2008 1:16:56 PM  (Reply)

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Shadow of Man  posted:8/18/2008 11:11:00 AM  (Reply)
That documentary is not the only piece of evidence that is just the example I used. I have researched a great deal myself on the subject and there is much evidence out there. For example (again just one example) is how similar the story of Jesus is to the Egyptian god Horus and others. As for what material "may be" missing from the Testaments, anyone can claim such things'. I personally do not believe in Christianity (hence my title of Etamin�a – shaman) and I do not believe that Jesus ever existed. What I have been trying to say here is that people need to open their eyes, examine all the evidence and decide for themselves what the "real" truth is for them. I myself belief the bible is just another history book written by people with their own point of view of the "facts".
"What I have been trying to say here is that people need to open their eyes, examine all the evidence and decide for themselves what the "real" truth is for them." Amen, brother! LOL! I definitely agree with you on this point. Regards,Canis
jeff   posted:8/18/2008 4:54:41 PM  (Reply)

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Shadow of Man  posted:8/18/2008 11:11:00 AM  (Reply)
That documentary is not the only piece of evidence that is just the example I used. I have researched a great deal myself on the subject and there is much evidence out there. For example (again just one example) is how similar the story of Jesus is to the Egyptian god Horus and others. As for what material "may be" missing from the Testaments, anyone can claim such things'. I personally do not believe in Christianity (hence my title of Etamin�a – shaman) and I do not believe that Jesus ever existed. What I have been trying to say here is that people need to open their eyes, examine all the evidence and decide for themselves what the "real" truth is for them. I myself belief the bible is just another history book written by people with their own point of view of the "facts".
Shaman, based on your statements, if you haven't already picked it up, go get 'The Secret Teachings of All Ages' by Manly P. Hall. You will love it. He even goes so far as to compare the 12 apostles of Jesus to the zodiac, the time of the birth of Jesus to an astrological alignment (e.g. contrived), etc. etc... Amazing stuff, written in the 1920s.
jeff   posted:8/18/2008 5:51:31 PM  (Reply)

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caniswalensis  posted:8/18/2008 9:20:20 AM  (Reply)
Hi Jeff, As always, you bring up a good point here yourself. I would have to answer: "NO!" You should never take the word of some guy that posts in an internet forum! :-) But this forum, like any good conversation, can be a soundingboard an inspiration for new ways of thinking and new areas of interest. Documentaries are similar, but they are also made to make money, so they are a little more suspect in my opinion. They are also different from a conversation in that they are one-sided affairs in a very powerful medium that has been well used for propaganda since its earliest days. If I or anyone says something that challenges your way of thinking, you should first take it with a grain of salt, but mull it over, and if it seems to have any merit, maybe do some research(preferably from multiple sources), and come to you own conclusions. We have quite different views on the world, and while I doubt I will ever adopt yours, you have been giving me a lot to think about lately and that is very valuable to me because it helps me to clarify and refine my own outlook on life. Canis
If you never adopt mine, that's okay. My wife and children won't, either. Yours is a necessary voice, but mine...I'm the wild card--potential, unrealized. The blank scrabble tile. The stem cell. The star dot star. Everything, so nothing. I cannot change this mental nature of myself for some reason, so I must accept it. For now, anyway.
Bobnus   posted:8/26/2008 3:48:21 PM  (Reply)
"He even goes so far as to compare the 12 apostles of Jesus to the zodiac, the time of the birth of Jesus to an astrological alignment (e.g. contrived), etc. etc... Amazing stuff, written in the 1920s." The astrological alignment is completely legit, there was different alignments all occurring in succession that pointed to a Great Jewish King being born. I saw a technical journal from the Royal Astronomical Society concerning that and the trek of the wise men that are said to have visited Jesus. Unfortunately the comparing the apostles with the zodiac isn't very legit. Folks like Archarya S, and the authors of the Zeitgiest are known for shoddy scholarship. Their nonsense about the existence of Jesus being "contrived" is a load of BS, No serious historian gives it any credence.
J.J.Jackson   posted:12/28/2008 4:24:03 PM  (Reply)
Is'nt beliveing in a god a little immature? If a child wants something they ask santa. If an adult wants something they ask god. More people in history have died in the name of a god than anything else. needless death for a false hope.If you can't belive in yourself you have nothing.
ofutile   posted:12/29/2008 3:10:39 AM  (Reply)
self-preservation is important and so is having something to hold onto after you die. you can tote about having faith in god as being "immature" but when someone has such faith, no matter what you say, you will find it futile to change that someone's mind.


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