+ Submit News Link

Many earths postulation...


Share |



ghost1384   posted:12/22/2011 1:41:39 PM  (Reply)
Call it what you want the mulitiverse, many worlds, MWI, the relative state formulation, the Everett interpretation, the theory of the universal wavefunction, many-universes interpretation, but I want to know if this could at all be possible.

Schrödinger had the idea that if you put a cat in a sealed box with a poison that released at random that if he did not look in the box it meant that the cat must both be alive and dead at the same time. it goes along the lines that each time we make a decision reality splits and we take both choices just in alternate worlds. all in all this is just a paradox in the therory of superposition.

so tell me guys and gals... what are your thoughts.......
Jester87   posted:12/22/2011 2:12:43 PM  (Reply)
I think that anything is possible, but this is something that I just never was able to wrap my brain around. In my opinion, we are it. No more parallel worlds out there. But who really knows.

Have you ever seen that show SLIDERS? I always that it would be pretty cool.
LincolnGenghis   posted:12/24/2011 3:33:22 AM  (Reply)
Schrödinger was an idiot with that idea. I am familiar with his cat in a box theory (I read his book). If you gave the box to someone who did not know what was in the box and told them there was a football inside it what do you think they would find? They would find a dead stiff cat in the box. The event happens whether or not your reality accepts it or knows about it. And a coroner would even be able to give you an approximate time of death for the cat so that would pretty much render the indeterminate state of the cat false.
Levinus   posted:12/26/2011 11:04:18 AM  (Reply)
Lincoln, you should probably look into Schrod again. He was far from an idiot. Keep in mind that he wasn't addressing the state of the cat after the box was opened, but the state of the cat prior to it being perceived.

In statistics, it is quite an issue. When life and death are simply...one or the other, the fact that you can suspend that value is kinda odd. We simply don't know if the cat is alive or not, unless we open the box. Which we won't do.

As far as parallel worlds go...its entirely possible. We are working on proving that right now. To shave off a lot of the physics...the particle that give MASS to matter is acting funny. Theoretically it should be REALLY STRONG, but its not. Its really pathetic, actually. So we are thinking that the force is actually smeared out across several realities. We are talking 11 dimensions here, and even without the math it is very abstract and hard to grasp.

Don't think of it in the terms of "when I make a choice, a reality branches out". In a multi-dimensional physics, the choice you made was already preset. Also, the choice you DIDN'T make was already preset. It was, is and will be. Constantly. Every possible and impossible arrangement of matter and energy exists, will exist, and has existed. Its more like a fuzzy field of possibility. You navigate it, experience it. But soooo much more is going on.

Consider this...if our perception can genuinely shape reality...What if you conceived the idea, like schrod's cat, that something exists/lives? Like a really hot babe. That can travel through realities and insists on being your girlfriend. Theoretically...it is possible. She might show up today.
LincolnGenghis   posted:12/26/2011 6:47:45 PM  (Reply)

In Reply To:
Levinus  posted:12/26/2011 11:04:18 AM  (Reply)
Lincoln, you should probably look into Schrod again. He was far from an idiot. Keep in mind that he wasn't addressing the state of the cat after the box was opened, but the state of the cat prior to it being perceived.

In statistics, it is quite an issue. When life and death are simply...one or the other, the fact that you can suspend that value is kinda odd. We simply don't know if the cat is alive or not, unless we open the box. Which we won't do.

As far as parallel worlds go...its entirely possible. We are working on proving that right now. To shave off a lot of the physics...the particle that give MASS to matter is acting funny. Theoretically it should be REALLY STRONG, but its not. Its really pathetic, actually. So we are thinking that the force is actually smeared out across several realities. We are talking 11 dimensions here, and even without the math it is very abstract and hard to grasp.

Don't think of it in the terms of "when I make a choice, a reality branches out". In a multi-dimensional physics, the choice you made was already preset. Also, the choice you DIDN'T make was already preset. It was, is and will be. Constantly. Every possible and impossible arrangement of matter and energy exists, will exist, and has existed. Its more like a fuzzy field of possibility. You navigate it, experience it. But soooo much more is going on.

Consider this...if our perception can genuinely shape reality...What if you conceived the idea, like schrod's cat, that something exists/lives? Like a really hot babe. That can travel through realities and insists on being your girlfriend. Theoretically...it is possible. She might show up today.
I did not say he was an idiot with the rest of the book, actually I thought "In search of Schrödinger's cat" was an interesting book.I found his cat theory indigestible though in any real serious science sense. It is more akin to philosophy studies then any kind of real science. Cat+Poison+Sealed box= dead cat. There was no indeterminate state of the cat at least on this planet in this universe.
Levinus   posted:12/27/2011 9:08:21 AM  (Reply)
You clearly have a good head on your shoulders. The cat, whether it be a vial of poison or a grenade, is more than likely going to die. Common sense dictates that whenever something lethal is introduced...then something lethal will occur.

Again, common sense. Our assumptions. Based on logic.

But here is the thing...that isn't how science works. The scientific method revolves around data. Testable data. When you are asked to record a value, say "1" for a living cat and a "0" for a dead cat....what do you put down?

You can just go ahead and assume "0" for a dead cat. But is that accurate? Or good science? You actually have to LOOK first. That very act of looking is what Schrod is talking about. Until you actually observe the system...you can't record data.

When you think about it, that is a very profound complication for scientists. It ties in directly with Heisenberg.

It means no matter what we study, we have to calculate in for an observer. We can't do that because we don't really know how perception works. When you look, are you influencing the outcome of the cats fate? No matter how small, it is scientifically relevant. Personally, cats piss me off, so if its still alive when I open the box.....


Please log in or become a member to add a post.