[Interview conducted by Alejandro Guillier; transcription by Rodrigo Cuadra Salazar] 
 
 
Alejandro Guillier (journalist): UFOs, well...nothing better than to ask a war pilot about the experiences he’s had if he’s seen anything, but it turns out that I’ve heard talk about there being a military pilot in Antofagasta who toward the late Seventies -- ’78 -- had been flying and ran into a very strange thing. It also turns out that the pilot became a general, retired general Hernan Gabrielli, and we’re going to talk to him about this rather interesting experience. How do you do, general? Good morning. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli Rojas (general-Ret.): Hello, Alejandro. Good morning to you. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: This occurred in ’78, according to one version, but what is the story about your running into a UFO while flying a warplane? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: We were two F-5s, dual training craft, and we were returning to base after completing our mission, Cerro Moreno, noon. From Mejillones to Antofagasta, at an altitude of some 35,000 feet - 40,000 feet. I suddenly detected a radar fault and saw a line that ran side to side on the scope, and my student, Danilo Catalán, also detected the same, and curiously enough it was the ground radar, which has a large screen, that also indicated a radar fault. At that time we looked toward [the part of the sky indicated on the radar screen] and we saw that UFO. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: What was it exactly? What was it you managed to see? Can it be described? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: It was visualized as a smoke-covered, half-deformed banana, very large, in other words, very large in plain sight. We were between 15 or 20 miles away. It was tremendously large and surrounded by a fumarole which moved in our very same direction and at the same speed as our aircraft. 
 
Alejandro Guiller: ...and you felt tempted to check it out. 
 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: We approached it carefully and...but those were good instructions. We were heading back from Attack 1, which is a combat tactic involving gun cameras, no cannon, missiles or anything else. So we approached it with caution. Unfortunately the UFO did not go away toward a single minute, so we arrived in an instant. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: But I understand that you had to ascend. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No... 
 
Alejandro Guillier: In order to approach, what was your position? Going upward.. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No...we shared the same altitude, between 30,000 and 35,000 feet. 
 
Alejandro Gabrielli: But F-5s are swift airplanes. When you got near it scurried way so... 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Of course. It’s a fighter that covers 10 nautical miles a minute, in other words, 20 kilometers a minute. That is the normal speed for that aircraft. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: And this object you saw, how soon did it vanish? At what speed? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Unimaginable, in other words, thousands of nautical miles a minute, because it vanished toward the west suddenly and the screen cleared up. In other words, all three radar screens--the ground radar, mine and Danilo’s -- were operating normally; it wasn’t just a visual experience but a physical one as well, a material one, that materialized on the screen. Now, if you ask me what it is, where it comes from, don’t ask me. I haven’t the slightest idea. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: Now...is this time of sighting customary among Chilean military pilots? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No, they are not. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: And has any other functionary remarked that he had been flying and seen strange things? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Look, at that time there was also another sighting by a functionary near Calama, but no...that was the age of the Vampire aircraft. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: What’s that? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Vampires were wooden aircraft, and the fighter climbed to a certain number of feet and could see from below that this UFO didn’t...didn’t move. However, as the pilot climbed, he said that the object or UFO’s size was such that... 
 
Alejandro Guillier:...that it didn’t move and he could never reach it. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: He never reached it. They later sent out a pair of fighters, then an F-5 and nothing, really... 
 
Alejandro Guillier: And they couldn’t continue climbing. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No, they couldn’t continue their ascent. 
 
Alejandro Guiller: It reached its maximum altitude and then... 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Fifty something thousand feet, and it had to turn back. 
 
Alejandro Gabrielli: And by the descriptions you recall, general, was there any similarity with the sighting you had in Antofagasta? 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No, because this one had another shape, it had a shape...in other words, as though looking from below upward, the pilots flying at the time said it was triangular. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: Triangular...it couldn’t have been an American plane, one of those spy planes. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: I don’t think so. This was 1978. The latest thing around at the time was the SR-71, which is a U.S. spy plane, but it flies at Mach 3, so there is displacement. This thing did not move. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: Right, this thing was suspended in the air. Well, and after that you landed and must’ve had a shot of whisky, I imagine. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: No, no. There were remarks, in other words, each combat or training flight is its own story, so this was just another anecdote. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: Now, why does the FACH [Chilean Air Force] handle all of this with such secrecy, because it has in fact appeared before Congress, before parliamentarians, and everyone was deathly silent...there were no such things. All they do is create more concern, because one says: "Well, there must be something awful that the FACH, the senators and the deputies don’t want to discuss," and in this case they were all quiet. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Look, it’s not that there’s an unwillingness to talk, but since it is an almost intangible piece of information it cannot be handled, it cannot be processed. To tell you the truth, the base commander is informed and then the page is turned and normal activity resumes. 
 
Alejandro Guillier: Right. Well, last week in Calama, a LAN airliner was flying over the weekend with the players of the Wanderers team for the big match against Cobrelola and the pilot was forced to make a spectacular turn, diving to avoid a collision. Supposedly there was no airplane there. This would also be equivalent to a UFO. 
 
Hernan Gabrielli: Surely. In other words, if the pilots were forced into taking an evasive maneuver, with passengers aboard, it must have been something... 
 
 
Translation (C) 2003. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Special thanks to Rodrigo Cuadra Salazar